Going Bowling 2023

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And welcome back to the Boundary Corner Podcast.

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Along with my partners, Brian Siegler, Jonathan Talley, and Shelton Moss.

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I'm Curtis Wilson, and this episode is brought to you by Dr. Jeremy Counts at the Main Street Pharmacy in Blacksburg, your friendly neighborhood pharmacy, 301 South Main Street, Blacksburg.

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Welcome back, boys.

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Back at it, fellas.

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Back at it.

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We are back.

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Wednesday night.

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You know, we switched it up.

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I got to tell myself a little bit for a second.

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I was like, we're going live tonight, right?

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We got to get all this stuff together.

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I'm sending links out.

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I'm like, shit, we said we're going live tomorrow.

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We were going live Wednesday because Shelton was on the road yesterday and couldn't go with us.

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And we had to wait that one extra day.

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Habits, man.

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Habits are hard to break.

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They are.

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Y'all all right, boys?

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Y'all quiet.

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Tell me you quiet.

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It's been a long day, man.

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I'm tired.

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You tired.

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You deserve to be quiet.

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Shelton, go ahead.

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Yeah, I'm working on this computer not kicking me off every time I say something.

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Acting crazy down here.

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I told y'all this internet be acting crazy down here.

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But yeah, man, everything seems to be good.

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Got to give a shout out before we get to talking.

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My little cousin, Kurt Johnson.

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is a state championship coach for a Montgomery Catholic Knights.

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He has been the head coach of that school for three years.

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His record is 42 and two, I think 43 and two now.

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So I'm very proud of this kid, man.

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He battled through a lot of stuff, lost his mom last year during the playoffs, kind of affected them going forward in that game.

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They lost in the semifinals, and this year he came back, and he won it all, man.

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They won it down in Tuscaloosa on Alabama's field.

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I didn't get to go.

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I had some things to do, but I did go to the semifinal game and talk to the team.

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So, yep, it's all good, man.

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We feeling good.

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I'm repping for the Knights tonight.

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Heck yeah, congrats to your cousin there, man.

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And you were mentioning off air, you're going to get in there and get the line going, right?

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Because he's putting D1 talent out.

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Yeah, man, if he can get me some linemen.

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Well, I can't talk too much.

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We're going to come back.

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We're going to talk about it a little later on.

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But we're going to – he's got a lot going on, man.

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If I can get him to get some –

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Get some D1 guys on that line.

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That would be great.

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He's actually got a tight end that's a junior that West Virginia is looking at right now.

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Okay.

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All right.

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He's got some good talent on that team.

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Lots of congrats from the gallery here.

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Definitely congrats to your cousin there, man.

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That's a big thing, doing a big thing.

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I know we talked.

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You were in the middle of watching that game.

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Me and you chatted on Friday for a few minutes, and you said they show it, which is pretty, pretty cool.

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But we got a lot to unload tonight because we have not met, what has it been, 10 days?

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Something like that?

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It's been a while, man.

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I forgot what shot looked like.

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It's been a bit, man.

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It's been a bit.

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We had to take a little hiatus, a little week off.

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Take a breath.

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We collect our thoughts.

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Yeah, when you make a bowl game, you got time to relax and practice and you get extra time to the next game.

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And that's what we're doing here tonight as well.

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But a lot of stuff to unload.

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We are going to talk about the bowl on the back half of the episode.

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Take a look at what's left of Tulane.

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Make some predictions.

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Make some predictions on some bowl games.

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Have some fun.

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But let's actually start with the bowl games.

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And let's talk about the college football playoffs.

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Because even though this is now going, what, we 10 days out since that happened?

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Yep, it's 10 days.

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We can still rant about it.

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We can still rant.

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I was on my way back from my mom's when that happened.

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And lo and behold, they started doing their little thing, right?

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Number one, the Michigan Wolverines.

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We ain't shocked, are we?

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No.

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No, we ain't shocked.

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Number two, Washington Huskies.

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Not shocked.

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13-0, not shocked.

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And then they did the number three, Texas.

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We weren't shocked.

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I wasn't shocked they ran.

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I mean, you could argue Texas at three or four, depending on who the other team was.

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But, Curtis, go ahead.

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Well, then number four pops up.

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Well, I don't know if I did not see this live because I was driving.

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But number four popped up or number five popped up.

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And then the next thing you know, Alabama's number four.

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which left out, obviously, everybody already knows Florida State, 13-0 ACC champions, 2-0 against the SEC.

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And you're sitting here, and people started posting stuff because a certain network had been laying this out for about a month, right, prior to everything going down.

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And I want to go ahead and get some of y'all's reactions.

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And...

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Tally, I'm going to let you start because you're down there.

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So what was your reaction?

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You sitting there, whether you're on Twitter, watching it live, or somebody texting you, what was your first reaction?

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I mean, I knew it, but I was trying to – I was looking at it from a debate standpoint, and I had been arguing on Facebook for like two days.

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you know, people wanted to tell me how great the sec is and this and that.

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And I'm like, I don't give a fuck about any of that.

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What y'all talking about?

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What I'm trying to say is there's never been a, there's never been a conference champion.

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It's left out.

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It's undefeated.

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Power five, right?

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We're supposed to be doing it the same way.

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Then, you know, that, that, that how you lead this team out, then you got number two, um,

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Alabama loses to Texas at home by 10.

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Worse than 10.

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It was worse than 10.

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I think it was 24-14.

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No, no, that was the final score, but that game – Oh, yeah, yeah.

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Texas – no, it was 38-24 was the final.

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Or 38 – 34-24 was the final.

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But Texas dominated that game.

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But it wasn't –

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Yeah, either way, I understand, you know, yeah, you want to see the best teams in there and all that.

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I don't give a fuck about the best teams, unless we're talking about Virginia Tech.

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I just want y'all to stay to your word and do what you say you was going to do.

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You cheated them boys down there in Florida State out of their chance to go to the championship, and that's bullshit.

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You know what I'm saying?

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You put it on one player and say, oh, well, you know, he got hurt.

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They ain't the same team.

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Hell, they beat that.

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They won the conference.

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They didn't lose a game.

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They beat the team in the championship by double digits.

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When Alabama used to beat LSU 6-3, everybody used to beat their meat to them kind of games.

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Before the state goes out here and wins a defensive championship game, you know, y'all ain't got nothing to say.

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Why ain't Jordan Travis in the Heisman race?

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Shit, you should have gave him the Heisman if he's that important.

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He's that damn good.

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If he's that good that they can't win a game without him, why you didn't give him the fucking Heisman?

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The more impressive thing, I'm going to let you keep your rank on.

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The more impressive thing is they want a third string quarterback.

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Yeah.

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They want a third string quarterback.

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Continue, continue, continue.

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On top of all that, what gets swept under the rug?

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We're talking about, well, we want to see the best games, Bob.

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Michigan been fucking cheating.

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Is there anyone talking about them cheating?

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They've been fucking cheating the whole year.

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They've been cheating.

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They've been going at people's houses, peeping through their wonders.

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They fucking running a, I don't know what they're doing up there.

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But I know they've been stealing signs and looking under people's dresses and all type of stuff.

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And y'all ain't do nothing about that.

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We didn't keep them out of the playoffs, right?

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Hell, they had a game.

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When we talk about quarterbacks, right?

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Quarterback being most important.

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Michigan had a game where their quarterback, no, not even their quarterback.

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They didn't throw a pass in the second half.

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They didn't throw a pass in the second half.

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But that's great, though.

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They got a great defense and they got a great running game.

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I'm just saying, man, it's kind of fucked up.

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And I hate Florida State.

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That's the thing.

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I fucking hate Florida State.

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But I don't think you should do them like that.

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I think that's kind of fucked up.

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All right.

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I'm going to pivot here to Sheldon before I go to Brian because I know Brian's going to go on a slight tirade too.

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So let's bring some – Sheldon did some data research for us.

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Sheldon, just – A, give me your personal feel towards this and then – or data, then your personal feel towards this.

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But what's some of the data points say about this?

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Well, look, I think when you look at, you know, the metrics this year, Florida State and Alabama are pretty much dead even.

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I mean, SP Plus, it's pretty much a dead tie.

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You know, FBI ratings, I think FSU is, let's see, what were they?

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They were 12th and Alabama was 11th.

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So it's pretty much dead even as far as, you know, what the metrics say.

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And, I mean, if the metrics, you know, were to predict this game, if Florida State and Alabama played each other, it'd be a toss-up.

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Now, I know that Jordan Travis is out, so obviously that changes, of course.

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But I just – I think the committee was overstating the level of separation between these two teams.

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Love that.

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And, look, you mentioned – you know, Talia mentioned how you've got a system where there's four playoff teams for five major conferences.

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Yes.

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I would argue this was sort of an inevitability that this was going to happen.

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We got lucky the first nine years, really.

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It took until year 10 for a brouhaha like this to kind of come up.

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So it's a flaw in the system, and I think personally I would prefer the more deserving team rather than the best team.

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And I say that as a big analytics guy.

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I just think the games have to matter.

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It's sort of like if you look at Washington, Oregon this year,

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Oregon had better metrics because they were more dominant against their schedule, but Washington beat them twice and a couple of close games that could have gone either way, but nobody with their, with their right mind would say that we should just give the Pac-12 title to Oregon because they had better metrics.

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You give it to Washington because they won the games, even though they were 9.5, 9.5 point underdogs.

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So again, just a, just a bad system.

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And unfortunately just, just an inevitable result of kind of what happens when you have a,

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You don't have any, you know, at-large bids and guaranteed spots.

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It's just a bad system.

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So glad we're getting rid of it.

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Me too.

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And I'm going to ask you a quick question.

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If there were three more years left, would they have made the same move?

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Because committing you, they had to deal with brush blowback for one year.

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Because all they've got to say next year is we're going to 12.

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This is why we're going.

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That's why we're going to 12 right there.

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But if there was three more years left, would they have made the same move or would they have put 13-0 in?

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I think they would have made the same move.

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To be fair to the committee, they do state in their guidelines that they are allowed to factor in injuries to key players in their decision-making process.

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That's why I try not to be super reactionary to this because it is stated in the rules that they are allowed to do this.

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They are allowed to factor in injuries.

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What they really wanted to say was, we're not having a playoff unless an SEC team is in there.

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That's what they really wanted.

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Which, me being in Alabama, I'm kind of glad because I like living.

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I didn't want them to come blow my house up.

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Listen to me.

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The SEC, for me, when Clemson was winning championships, I didn't give a fuck I'm not a Clemson fan.

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Nope.

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SEC fans, if Alabama don't make it and Georgia make it, them motherfuckers be – I told you the SEC's goddamn word's set, Bubba.

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I'm like, you ain't no fucking Georgia fan.

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So it didn't matter who got in.

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You're an Auburn fan.

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Shut the fuck up.

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They were putting – they already claiming Texas.

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Texas ain't even in the SEC yet.

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See, that's why Texas coming to the SEC.

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I said, oh, my God.

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Y'all got to get me out of here, man.

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Somebody come rescue me.

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That's what I need.

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We'll find you a job.

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It just means more, man.

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Yeah.

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What's your take?

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And by the way, the ACC beat the SEC head to head this year.

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Just to let everybody know that.

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Actually, the SEC didn't have a winning record against any power five.

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Any power five.

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Go ahead.

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And they were tied for the last in terms of number of bowl teams in the power five.

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So here's how I would look at it from my perspective.

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If I was on the committee,

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If you're a Power Five team and you're undefeated and we got spots left, you're in.

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After that, we can get academic and look at strength of schedule.

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We can look at who you still got playing.

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You can look at all those other factors.

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If you are an undefeated Power Five team and you won your conference title and you're unblemished, you need to be in if there's spots there.

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So essentially, unless there's an undefeated team in every Power Five conference, you should make the playoff.

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That's me if I was a voting member on this panel.

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And I mean, I don't think you should have to get academic in the selection process until you have satisfied that goal there.

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I don't like the fact that this feels like we're getting very subjective in the process when there are objective ways of comparing these teams.

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And you want to know what else, Brian?

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You're leaning on the subjective elements of the rules and not any of the objective elements of the rules.

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And you want to know what else, Brian?

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What's that?

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Alabama's going to fucking win it.

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The fucking bastards are going to win the whole thing.

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And people are going to talk about, see, told you they were supposed to be in there.

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Fuck.

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What the fuck?

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Well, I'm going to kind of cap it off with this, and I'm going to go with something Sheldon said a few minutes ago.

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Yeah, Pete's still claiming that title.

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What you had this year is the committee saying on the field doesn't matter.

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On the field doesn't matter.

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It doesn't matter what you do on the field.

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Well, your players hurt.

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Well, you can't – you're not going to be able to win without them.

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Why not?

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We won twice with that.

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We went to the Swamp and beat Florida.

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Well, that's an average Florida team.

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Still beat them.

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Still beat them, right?

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Oh, then you struggle with Louisville.

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With a third string, true freshman quarterback playing his first snaps under center.

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Still beat them.

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Still beat them by double digits.

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Defense dominated Louisville.

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Louisville had not been that dominated all year.

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We saw that firsthand.

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Jeff Brom knows what he's doing.

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And so, and this is where I keep, and there are people out there that are saying, I don't care, it's FSU, FSFU.

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Yeah, I don't like FSU either.

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I don't like any other team in the ACC.

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I don't.

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That's one thing I hate about SEC fans.

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It's like, our conference is good.

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No, Georgia, Alabama, and LSU have been good the last five years.

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The rest of y'all haven't done shit.

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National titles don't go on the sides of the stadiums of yours when Georgia wins or when Alabama wins.

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It goes on theirs.

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They get to put it in the trophy case.

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You don't.

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And I will reiterate before we go any further that a lot of this whole strength of schedule discussion –

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a lot of that hinges on the preseason rankings.

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Yes, it does.

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You're going to have more SEC teams historically ranked in the top 25 to start the season.

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Until you start stacking up some losses, that doesn't really drop a whole ton.

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So, to me, that really kind of throws off the overall strength of schedule.

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This is my fear.

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This is my fear about what the precedent that was set.

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And I've had some conversations with Tech fans that think I'm stupid.

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But y'all can say what you want to say.

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The precedent is now set.

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An 11-1 Virginia Tech team who did not make the ACC title game, 11-1, is ranked number seven.

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And let's say the running back gets hurt in the last game against UVA.

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Hurts his ankle.

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Going to be out a month.

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He's going to be able to play the game, but no.

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By the way, I'm going to stop something right here.

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Good point, right?

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Good point.

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In the Ohio State game.

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And then they couldn't move the ball against Iowa.

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But the point is, in a few years, it's a precedent that's now been set that on the field doesn't matter.

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Because in a few years, Tally going to go AWOL on someone when Tech's 11-1, sitting at number seven.

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Running back gets hurt late in the season.

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Guy's got 1,400 yards, tearing it up.

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Oh, y'all lost your running back.

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We're about to put 9-3 Alabama in over you.

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They're a better team than y'all.

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They play in a tougher conference.

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That's the precedent that's set.

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And people aren't seeing it right now because everybody drives like this.

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They drive right in front of them versus looking down the road where you're going to see we're a good team.

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We can hang with anybody in the country.

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But because of this, they can now pull you out and say, no, they're better.

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Brian, what did you say?

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They're better subjectively, not objectively.

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on the field.

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That's what's going to happen.

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And if it happens to us, we're going to be pissed.

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And everybody's going to be like, well, let that happen.

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Then I'll be pissed.

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Look what's happening in front of you right now.

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The only way you can do it is give the blowback.

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Don't watch the games.

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That's the only way you're ever going to do it.

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Don't watch the games.

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And for most fans, we can't because we love it.

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We love the sport.

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I have seen where we're talking about if Florida State goes out there and beats Georgia, there's going to be some AP voters that are putting Florida State number one, regardless of how the college football playoff shakes out.

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So it'll be interesting to see if we have any sort of revolt on that front in any sort of significant way.

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I don't think we'll see...

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I don't think we'll see anything that will super impact the polls, but I would love to see something like that happen.

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I'd love to see that.

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I'd just love to see it.

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Takes me back to the youth.

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Sheldon, Tally, anything else additionally y'all want to add on this?

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Because we went a good 15 minutes on this.

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No, I think I'm good.

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Oh, yeah, one more thing.

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Florida State, fuck you for talking about it at the beginning of the season how you wanted to leave and the ACC wasn't shit.

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Then at the end of the season, we all cheering for you because we want you to get in because you deserve to be in.

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But you said, fuck us at the beginning of the season.

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So guess what?

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You joined the Bukkake line with the rest of us.

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That's where you ended up.

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All right?

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Fuck.

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all right let's go and that is 20 minutes and 45 seconds so perfect remember that all right let's go to the next thing that came up and um i don't know i know i sent you all the articles i don't know how much you read on i know brian read a bunch on it but back on let me get the date here uh december 5th so just a few days after cfp was released the ncaa proposed a new college athletic subdivision of athletics basically

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The way it seems is if you want to give your players money, and I don't know all the ins and outs of it, $30,000 a year for four years to everybody if you play a sport.

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Brian, I'm going to let you get deeper into this.

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Really good work by Ross Dellinger.

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Two articles.

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Go read them.

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But Brian dug into this, and Brian, this has been a passion of yours for a long time, but what is your take on this?

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So I think we know that sometime in the near future, there's going to be this power five schism or this high end of.

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college football schism in the sport.

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I think it's coming.

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I think that's going to be a bigger discussion than this whole big two, big three thing that we kind of got going on because eventually that's not going to matter because there's going to be basically a subdivision with these teams and then other teams that play in what is now the NCAA FBS.

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So

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When we look at that, this is kind of a, again, a NCAA life raft half-ass proposal that I don't think really helps anybody and really is kind of weird because of the financials of it all doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

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But what they're essentially saying is bringing collectives and NIL in-house

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Paying the athletes $30,000 into a trust for their four years.

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And Title IX is in place, so this would apply across the board for the collegiate sports at that institution.

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um this would really mean like 25 or 30 schools qualify i think from a financial standpoint um you know nil added in there you might add a few more in there but this is not um this probably doesn't get us where we want to go uh if if the overall goal is to have the best

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50 or so programs kind of split off from the NCAA.

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I don't think this gets us there.

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I think this is too much of a unfeasible and hand-holding proposal from the NCAA.

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And the NCAA is proving more and more with some of the results of the lawsuits that we've had over the last couple of days.

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they're losing their ability to have any sort of control over any aspect of the sport anymore so i think we're going to see a more essentially the institutions doing this themselves and creating their own situation versus whatever is out there but i i think this is a a life raft that's too late and feels desperate and is is not really going to be feasible for a lot of a lot of schools

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True.

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Shelton, Tally, anything on this y'all read or heard about?

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That was a lot of smart talking that he just did.

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And I ain't that smart.

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That was a whole bunch of talking that he just did.

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And what it comes down to, let me break this down.

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It's the same as marijuana, all right?

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Marijuana's out on the streets.

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And you got Shelton smoking it.

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This is just hypothetical.

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Hypothetical.

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Hypothetical.

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Hypothetical.

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He's going to get whatever he wants.

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And he's having a good time.

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And he can choose from his dealer what he wants.

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It's a problem for them because they can't put their hands in it.

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The NCAA –

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People been paying people for how long?

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Y'all been letting these schools rise to the top, paying people, paying off debts for people, moving people to houses, doing all of this stuff for years.

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Now you want to try to come in and say, oh, we're doing this to help everybody.

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No, you just want to do something so you can say you're regulating so you can get your fingers in there.

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That's all you're trying to do.

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I just think that's too much, man.

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Just let it be what it's going to be.

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It is what it is.

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If the quarterback is the best player and people want to pay him more, if he earns that for his name, image, and likeness, let him do it.

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The backup second baseman shouldn't get paid the same amount as the starting quarterback.

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I'm just saying.

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I mean, hell, you've been doing this for the longest.

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Why you going to try to act like you're doing something different now?

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That's just my take.

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All right, Sheldon, you got anything on this?

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Anything you've read?

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And obviously, you're close to this stuff.

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Yeah, well, as you guys know, I'm a big history guy.

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So I try to look at the history of college football and how it kind of, you know, shapes the present.

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I think, you know, there's been some precedent for stuff like this before.

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I mean, the NCAA split into divisions in 1973.

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They split into subdivisions in 1978.

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So, you know, they've always been kind of further dividing.

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We saw, you know, the Power Five versus Cooper Five divide in 2014.

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It kind of changes as time goes along.

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I think the main problem for the NCAA is that there's no one in charge trying to

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sort of lead the way and do things that are in the best interest of the entire NCAA.

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Whereas in the NFL, all the NFL owners, yes, they want money and they're motivated by greed and self-interest, but they're all doing it for the benefit of the NFL.

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That's not the case in college because the five power five conferences are working essentially against each other.

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So therefore the TV networks have all the leverage because they can negotiate with individual conferences rather than the NCAA as a singular entity.

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So I guess all that's a long winded way of saying the cat's gotten too far out of the bag.

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And I think this is a, this is a problem that college football has just never dealt with because they've just, they've pushed along, they've sort of kicked the can down the road with the whole amateurism thing.

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And, you know, I, again, I could, I could go into a long winded spill, but this for 30 minutes, but it's just, it's, it's just the, the, I think it's the result of, of the NCAA leadership, never really trying to resolve these problems other than just by kicking the can down the road.

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This is something that if it was said 15 years ago, it would have been revolutionary.

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It would have changed how the sport was done 15 years ago.

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It's too late now.

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too late money was always in there the nil stuff brian she said it numerous times like they just sitting back we don't want to touch any of this and it was it was and this is where it got they let it get to a point where the legal system was gonna force their hand into a situation where they didn't want to do anything with so they were like well here you go

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With very little thought put behind it because they dragged their feet and they kicked the can down the road.

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And then they got to a point where, from a legal standpoint, they ran out of fucking road.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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And that is why the NCAA keeps losing court cases because everybody knows their business model is BS.

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That's how it is.

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Yep, that is what it is.

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So we'll see where it leads.

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If it leads to anything, I don't think it will lead to anything.

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The only thing it might lead to is when the breakoff happens of your top 50, 60 schools, which probably is going to happen in the next decade.

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It'll probably be caps and stuff.

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That's the only thing they're throwing out there is, can you cap what you pay a player as they play for your team?

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That's the only thing it's doing.

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Alrighty, let's go talk about the portal because ever since we have been here, only one person had entered the portal.

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Since then, more people have entered the portal.

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Bryce Duke, Mike Hawkins, Dwayne Lofton, Derek Canteen, Johnny Dixon, Chance Black.

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Obviously, of those with Daquan Wright, really biggest contributor was Canteen.

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A lot of guys want to play in the bowl games.

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We have not had anybody commit to us yet.

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But just I know you all are reading and following.

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By the way, shout out Colby Crawford at 247.

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That kid is doing a hell of a job keeping track of everything.

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I don't know if we're going to substitute him for Mate.

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Mate, get on your P's and Q's.

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Right, ask Colby Crawford next spring and next fall.

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No, just kidding, Mate, you're our guy.

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But just from what you all are seeing of the guys going out,

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What's it tell you?

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Anybody want to throw it?

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I'll lead out here.

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What it tells me, two things.

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Number one, a lot of these guys are folks that have had limited roles, especially in the last year, but also it tells me that they want to play in the bowl.

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There's twofold here.

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Number one, this is a big culture move because if you've got guys that –

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still want to be a part of your program as they're looking for their next home.

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That's huge.

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I think some of these guys do need tape.

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So that's going to help too.

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You get your practices the next two weeks, you get the bowl game.

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If you get some run in the game, some of these guys might get more run and we'll talk about why that might be as, as we kind of move through this episode.

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But yeah, I think it speaks to the culture that coach prize building Virginia tech, that they still want to be a part of this process.

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So that's my big takeaway.

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Yeah.

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Tally?

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Yeah, I kind of go along with what Brian said there.

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Don't like to talk about the old staff a whole bunch, but anytime we had somebody transfer out, it was always doom and gloom.

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Oh, I'm leaving because they shot my dog in the foot.

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Oh, I'm leaving because they... It was just always a soap opera when somebody was making a move for themselves.

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Then you'd have players fighting with fans, fans fighting with players.

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I hate to see some of these kids go because, you know, you watch them.

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They come in.

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They contribute.

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It's like you see them grow up.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Like I remember when Dwayne Lofton was a freshman and he comes in, you know, and we're excited to see him get on the field.

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You know, now he's moving on.

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He's trying to make a move for himself because we're talking about it.

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We'll probably talk about it a little bit more.

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I mean, you got four starting wide receivers coming back.

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That's going to get a lot of burn.

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You know, so he deserves to go somewhere and get some playing time.

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You know, he deserves to get to get in there and try to make his dream come true, whether he wants to be an all conference player or all American or NFL player.

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So I'm just using him for example.

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So, um,

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it is good as far as what Brian said, as far as culture goes, that you have these people that are leaving and it's like, it's cordial, you know, thank you coaches.

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I still want to go out here and fight with my brothers one last time.

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And then I'm going to be making a move.

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You know, that's something good.

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And it's crazy because it feels like it was 10 years ago when we had all this turmoil.

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It was two years ago.

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Yeah.

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You know what I'm saying?

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A year and a half ago when we were sitting around wondering what I remember people was telling us.

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The program's dead.

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It ain't nothing to talk about.

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We're never going to win again.

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You know?

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It's just a much different feeling around the program now.

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Even though we won six games this year, and I almost said only six games because I feel like we could have won more.

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But anyway, it's just a different feel around the program, and it's something positive.

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It makes you feel good being a fan to see how the coaches are building that program.

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Anything, Shelton, on this?

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Anybody you're sad to see leave or –

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No, I mean, I think the coach has done a great job.

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I think, you know, the term culture gets thrown out a lot in sports, and you hear coaches talk about it all the time.

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I think one of the reasons that I was a little bit more optimistic than most fans, even when Tech was 1-3, is that I felt like the staff was really good at culture management and creating a culture where guys wanted to stay.

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I mean, you talk about the last staff.

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You know, we had almost the entire team opt out after that 2021 bowl game against Maryland.

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And I remember tweeting after that game, I was like, you know, pride needs to come in and create a culture where guys want to stay and be a part of this team and not just, you know, quit when things get tough.

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And I think that this staff has really done a great job with that.

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And it's just, you know, so much of it, you know, I think we get caught up in like the X's and O's and scheme and everything, but so much of being a leader and being a head coach is just, you know, managing people.

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And the staff has done a really good job of that.

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And you can kind of see,

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with the results, it's just, you know, all these guys want to stay because they want to be a part of this program.

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So I think it's, I think it's a really good thing.

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And it's a, it's a testament to the culture that coach prize created.

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Yep.

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And that's the big piece.

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When you see guys want to say it is the culture.

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And that's also a selling point as you turn into guys coming in from the portal, because that type of culture is something you want to sell.

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And I know as of right now, make sure right now, make sure no one's committed while I'm sitting here talking, um,

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that's what you want because it's an easy sell.

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Like why the first question you would ask somebody is why those guys want to stay?

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Why are those guys willing to put their bodies on the lines one more time for this team?

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That says something.

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And, you know, again, right now I look at it.

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It does hurt to see Derek canteen go, but it's one of those things I get that there's some younger guys than him that potentially could be playing and,

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those spots where he needs it.

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And I was mentioning it, I think it was Tyler, I was mentioning it to you.

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Derek Cantine, hell of a nickelback.

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Can play safety in a pinch.

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But if he wants to get the most out of his potential future contracts, he's got to show he can play on the outside.

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And if things happen here, you know, that may happen over the next few weeks, he's not going to be able to play on the outside.

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His limit's capped here.

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He can't do any more.

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So we'll see.

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But, Tally, you already mentioned it, so let's start with that.

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We had the announcement yesterday, y'all.

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What about next year?

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What about next year?

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Man, we know Drones is coming back.

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Well, yeah, let's start right there, Curtis, when you talk about drones coming back.

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I mean, he was no nonsense with it.

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I think they said he was on like a radio show or something.

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He was on Blacksburg Radio.

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Yeah, and he's like, yeah, next year is going to be fun.

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He didn't have to – he just does what he does on the field.

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I just feel like that's what he is.

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He doesn't – he even said like he's not –

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A huge talker.

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He just lets his game talk for him.

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And I feel like he started the team again.

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We talk about all season.

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He started the team in the portal again and said, all right, y'all, we need to start getting this.

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Because it's hard to pick up portal players when you don't know what pieces you have.

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There's a lot of Ps right there.

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Portal players, pieces.

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Alliteration is hard.

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Good Lord.

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So, yeah.

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It's hard to do that.

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But when you have a dynamic quarterback that's coming back,

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And then you got a couple of D linemen to come back.

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One great defensive end is coming back.

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No disrespect to anybody else coming.

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But then you get the big drop yesterday.

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Was it yesterday or the day before yesterday?

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Yesterday.

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Four of your –

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top wide receivers.

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Your whole wide receivers core is coming back because they practiced and they fought all year to show us what they can do on the field.

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They feel like they didn't get to do that.

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They got unfinished business because we know Jennings went down in that second game, get rolled up on and breaks his ankle.

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We was there.

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Sucked to see him riding on that cart with his parents that

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We knew he wasn't.

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He's not playing anymore this year.

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We may never see him in a Virginia Tech jersey again is what we're thinking at that time.

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We're talking to each other.

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Well, guess what?

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They're back.

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They're all coming back, man.

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And for some of those guys that maybe could move to a bigger program.

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to get some more team accolades or maybe some personal accolades or even try to hand at the NFL to come back to a six and six program that's been struggling, that has been struggling over the last five, six years.

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And that says a lot, man.

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That says a lot that those kids are willing to put that on the line to say, okay, we can be legends at Virginia Tech because we're the foundation that's going to build what this can be.

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And that's special to watch, man.

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Shout out to Quest, too, man.

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I see you in the chat, Quest.

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I talk to Quest just about every day, man.

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He's told me a lot of stuff.

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When we're talking about culture, the Virginia culture as well, that the coaches have built.

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I seen Quest went to Norcom High School.

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I see Norcom.

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And he talks to me a lot about, you know, their coaching staff.

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Uh-oh.

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Might have got him.

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He gone.

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Okay, I'm good now.

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So I was just saying, Quest was talking to me about how Norcom kind of felt about Virginia Tech during the dark days and how they feel now.

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And then I see a tweet from their head coach where he says, hey, we got to put Virginia Tech a parking spot out here.

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They're here all the time.

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You know, it's not just a team.

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It's going from, you know, the culture being built in the team to the fan base to the surrounding areas, the Virginia, the high schools, and that's cool to watch.

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No, I got off a little bit about the pool.

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It's one thing to talk about doing it.

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It's another thing to put in the legwork.

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And we're seeing the legwork happen.

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We're seeing the tweets.

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We're seeing the coaches put out information about it.

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We're seeing, you know, taking the chopper to the high school games.

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We're seeing banners flying over Charlottesville on the state championship game.

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Yeah.

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And I don't know who did that, but good fucking job.

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Great job.

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Genius job.

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And, you know, if you talk about those four guys coming back, and, I mean, you look at their stats, obviously, you know, Ali didn't get to play this year with two games.

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But the way he tore up ODU, you knew he was going to do big things.

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And them all wanting to come back.

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And then the APR announcement.

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And then Fuga.

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So right there is – you talked about that is your best defensive lineman.

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Could argue you might have been the best defensive player this year.

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That's the episode for February, though.

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But then you've got a guy like Fuga who is so emotional and so loves this place and is a culture driver in that room.

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So you've got the best player and you've got the culture driver.

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So as they bring in additional players –

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you know, you're a defensive tackle or you're an opposite defensive end.

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That guy's good.

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That guy's going to give me chances to shine.

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And the same goes, like, why drones?

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If he knew they were coming back, I would have felt good about coming back too.

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Especially the way he made the connection this year.

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And then we go into an offseason –

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and he is the clear-cut number one, he's going to get all the reps.

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Those connections he's already got with Felton, Gosnell, and Lane, and hopefully he can develop that with Jennings.

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That's big.

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That's big.

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By the way, hold on.

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We've got to do something real quick.

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Robbie was up in Stanton.

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And he saw it.

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He saw the plane.

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That was great.

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All right.

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Sheldon, you got anything on any of these guys?

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I know data points to a few of these guys being elite metrically, right?

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Yeah.

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I'm going to have to look it up for a sec.

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All right.

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Well, let's go to this.

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I'll let you flip on.

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You look up that.

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Just talk about the guys returning, our elite ones.

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But did everybody see the Delane tweet today?

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Shoot.

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Brian?

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I don't have it, but I can find it.

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Hang on.

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Find it and read it.

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I had it up earlier and then I freaking took it.

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I'm a dumbass.

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I can paraphrase it.

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The grass ain't always greener and not everything that glitters is gold.

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That's it.

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I don't know what that means.

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But we just said a few minutes ago about Derek Canteen leaving, right?

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But if... If, if, if...

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If him and Dorian Strong come back, and with how Dante Lovett looked this year, and how Braylon looked, and those guys were raw freshmen.

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And to pair with APR, and to pair, we're seeing we're going after things in the portal.

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The defense was in the top 25 total defense this year.

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And the whole thing is, we can all say it.

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Ryan, you can definitely say it.

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And Tally, you can say it.

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We weren't the best at times on defense.

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But we still ranked in the top 25.

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So, when we see all this about all these guys returning and the offense, which went from a dumpster fire last year in like 110, and now I think it's in the 70s.

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Brian, didn't we say that?

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Yeah.

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We said just get it to the 80s, you'll be okay.

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We went up to the 70s.

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So, you know, Sean, you've been able to find it, some of these guys returning, who are our best metric guys?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I know Jay Lane was one of the top guys in the ACC grades wide through receivers.

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Big yak monster too.

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He didn't lead the conference in yak yards after catch, but he did lead it in yak per reception.

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So he's extremely, extremely efficient when he's catching the ball.

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And that's with that bullshit touchdown that was called back, too.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, but I think we scored a touchdown.

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We ended up scoring a touchdown on that drive, which I think was Gosnell.

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Yeah, it was.

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I guess, you know, you spread the love around a little bit, I suppose.

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Yeah, and then I know Gosnell... Let's see, where's Gosnell?

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Yeah, he was really good in blocking.

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Not quite as much in other phases, but he also...

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he also led our team in snaps for wide receivers.

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So yeah, which was kind of surprising because you don't really, you know, think of his name when you, you know, you think of our top receivers.

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But I think that kind of just shows that, you know, the coaches, the coaches really trust him.

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He had, let me see, Gosnell had 338 passing snaps in the season, which led all the Hokies.

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So

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I mean, I think that just shows that the coach really trusts him with his blocking, and he's a really well-rounded player.

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Good deal.

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Go ahead, Brian.

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I was going to say, if you can block, you keep your ass on the field.

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That's just a good way to stay on the field is if you can block well.

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Yes, and I've asked Fontel before about his philosophy on blocking, and he said, like, if you did not block, you were not playing for me.

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So I think he's very big on that.

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He's a very, very astute coach.

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Yes, he is that.

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Now, obviously, there's a few more guys still out there.

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Obviously, Delaney Strong has not made an announcement yet.

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Tootin has not made an announcement yet.

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We haven't heard anything from, like, Council Jenkins and a few other guys who have eligibility.

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And it's the sit-and-waiting game.

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But we know, again, we've thrown a ton of offers out there.

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They're trying to upgrade the offensive line.

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They're trying.

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let's hope that comes to fruition.

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Um, but we're dropping, we got about, I think about a third, maybe just over a third of the guys we've got offered have now, uh, found another home committed elsewhere.

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Well, a couple of them though, look where they committed to.

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Yeah.

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A couple of them came in and visited and effectively they left without committing and

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you know, they, and it's no knock.

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It might just be, that's where they want to be.

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But there was a couple of guys who were kind of looked at as high regarded guys are going to G fives.

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They're staying in the G five.

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So it's almost like they tried, but it just ain't there.

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So, um, Ooh, almost put some from quest up here.

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Maybe.

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Yeah.

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Well, let me ask this, and I wanted to – Brian, I hit you up with all y'all.

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Can you legitimately throw five brand-new offensive linemen together and expect to mesh in basically the course of six – not even six months, in the course of, what, 28 practices?

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I'm going to tell you what I told you before.

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Say it.

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When you don't have an offensive line, getting five new ones is probably an upgrade.

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Yeah.

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So for Colorado, bringing in five new guys is probably going to be a net positive to what they had last year.

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Just saying.

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Good deal.

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If they wanted an elite offensive line, they would have got five white boys from Wisconsin.

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Yes, exactly.

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That's what they should have done.

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I mean, I don't know exactly what the offensive line looked like, but if they ain't five white boys from Wisconsin or one of those states, they may be average.

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I'm just telling you.

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They got to drive a pickup truck, have no neck at all.

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No neck.

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Be pure.

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Blue elastic.

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Oh, man.

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All right.

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Let's flip it over before we wrap up this side of the episode.

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And let's talk about the coach openings because a ton got filled.

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And I'm going to focus on just a handful here that, to me, I think are going to be important or may be important to you.

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Virginia Tech.

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I'm going to mention the ones I don't really... Sean Lewis, that literally happened the last time we were here.

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He literally got hired literally 20 minutes before we went off air.

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Jay Sawbell's taking over for Greg...

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The guy who produced Josh Allen.

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That guy's been there for 20 years.

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Gone.

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The defensive coordinator takes over at Boise State.

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Scotty Walton to UTEP.

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I don't know who that is.

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Bryant Vincent.

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UL Monroe.

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I don't know who that is.

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Trent Bray was a DC out of Oregon State.

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He stays where Smith went to Michigan State.

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First thing y'all want to hit about.

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Bronco Mendenhall's back in the coaching game.

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Greg Boll.

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Thank you very much, Pete.

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Bronco to New Mexico.

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But this is where I want to talk about it.

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First guy I want to talk about is Middle Tennessee.

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And they hired Derek Mason.

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Everybody knows who Derek Mason is, right?

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Oh, yeah.

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Coach Vanderbilt, Coach Stanford.

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Why I look at that, and I'll give you your opinions on this.

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Derek Mason is a very good defensive football coach.

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He has been.

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He was at Stanford.

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He's always been a good defensive football coach.

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I see a guy going there like that.

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And I'm going to tell you what, that's our territory.

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That's at six-hour radius, right?

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Right?

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Sean Quinn's always out somewhere in Tennessee recruiting players.

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Yep.

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I see a guy like that go to Middle Tennessee, and it's one of those – it's a portal thought.

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He is going to create a good player who is a two-star or a walk-on, and in two or three years, we need to drive our asses out there –

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And we need to go say, hey, I know you love Coach Mason.

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I know you love Middle Tennessee.

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But you need to come here because it's like that perfect.

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And I think that's what we need to start looking to is where are guys going who have pedigree that can coach certain positions well and almost make that a target.

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Like if I was Coach Pryor, I would invite Mason and his staff into Blacksburg for a week to talk football.

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Hey, y'all, come on over.

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Come on.

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Six-hour drive.

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Come on.

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Say Middle Tennessee needs to be our farm system?

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Yes.

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I think they got a linebacker that we're looking at right now.

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Yeah, we plodding early.

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We got to start plodding early.

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Yes.

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But, you know, that's the way I see it.

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Guys you feel comfortable with or guys who have a good track record, focus on those schools when you go on portal hunting.

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That's what I say.

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All right.

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Obviously, two of the big ones for the bowl game, Willie Fritz left Tulane.

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Everybody knows that, right?

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Oh, yeah.

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I've heard it a couple times the last couple weeks.

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Just a little bit, right?

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Not only did he leave, the whole fucking coaching staff left.

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The whole coaching staff.

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Half the players.

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Yep.

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And I said it on Twitter.

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I'm going to say it on here.

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I don't want to hear shit.

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I don't want to hear shit about them not having the players or the coaches.

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Because when we went up to Maryland and we got our asses kicked, y'all was on us.

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I'm talking about the VT fans was on us.

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Oh, we went up there and we did this.

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Hell, we had a guy that played tight end playing quarterback.

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He threw the ball like Uncle Rico.

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You know what I'm saying?

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So, hey, I ain't saying we're going to win or blow them out, but we better win and blow them out.

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All right.

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That's all I'm saying.

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Yeah, they hired John Summerall, who was actually just down the road in your neck of the woods, Tally, down at Troy.

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Yeah, he's a good coach.

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He's a really good coach.

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All right.

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Anything on those?

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I was interested, like the Kirk Cignetti thing kind of surprised me.

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I thought he would hold out for a better gig than Indiana, but.

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62.

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Yeah.

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He's old.

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He's old.

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I guess the one that kind of, you know, that I was looking at the most is maybe Manny Diaz to Duke.

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You know, I'm interested to see how he recruits there, what he does there.

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Because Elko kind of had them rolling, man.

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Of the hires that I thought were rumored, Diaz is the one I'm glad they picked.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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If you catch what I'm putting down there.

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We catch exactly what you're putting down there.

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But I think for him it's just trying to be a head coach again and knowing the situation.

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Now, he's not walking into the best situation at Duke that they've been good the last two years.

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So if you're due to the first couple years, people will be like, what the hell?

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Elko came here and started winning right away, but he also knows Duke will give you five or six years.

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he will still give you more time than a lot of places.

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Yeah, and I mean, he's probably going to not have as much of a problem keeping some of those defensive pieces in place.

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And we'll kind of come in and not have to tweak a whole lot scheme-wise.

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The big question is going to be, what does he do on offense?

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I mean, you lose Riley Leonard.

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You lost a couple other big pieces on that defense already.

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You lost a –

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a couple pieces on the offense.

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So it's going to be interesting to see what he does in the portal and if he can kind of keep the train moving in the right direction that Elko started with Duke there.

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Sheldon, any of these coaching moves shock you, surprise you, you like, you love, you hate?

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Yeah, I think a few thoughts.

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I think Syracuse had a pretty solid hire.

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Fran Brown came from Georgia.

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He was the DC there.

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So look, if Kirby trusts a guy to call plays, I mean, that's got to be a pretty good thing.

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I think Cignetti to Indiana was interesting just because of his age.

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I thought he'd stick it out there.

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I will say, I know some VT fans might not like this, but JME has had a really solid program.

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I think they are a program that kind of transcends the coaching staff.

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You look at, you know, the coaches that have left there, they have not been great.

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When they're at JME, they're very good.

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So I think, I think, you know, you could say he's much more a product of the, of the JME culture, so to speak.

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So be interesting to see how that turns out.

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And then elsewhere, I don't know, Diaz to Duke.

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I think that's a pretty solid hire.

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You, you mentioned the Tulane coaching staff.

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So I just looked it up as you were talking.

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They will have seven full-time coaches, Tulane will, in the ballgame against Virginia Tech.

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So they're without three.

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And those three are their defensive coordinator, their D-backs coach, and their wide receivers coach.

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So those guys are all out.

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Right now, Tulane does not have anyone that will coach linebackers.

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So it remains to be seen if they can fix that.

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And I think that's going to be pretty good news for Tech skill guys.

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That does sound good for TechSkill, guys.

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And Robbie asked a question, and actually, yeah, there is a connection with Mason and Marv.

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Mason, he GA'd.

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He was a quality guy, and he coached linebackers for two years under Mason at Vanderbilt.

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So obviously a connection there.

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The Bob Chesney one to JMU, guy was up at Holy Cross, up in FCS, took them to numerous playoff games.

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I think you make a good point.

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Does the culture transcend?

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Does the culture transcend?

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Any coach that comes there can and will be good.

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Now, what that eventually puts you in a pinch with, though, is if the culture is that good and the trend sends everything, people start saying, I'm not hiring him.

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Because they're going to be a good football team.

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It doesn't matter who steps into that place, right?

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Yeah, and I forgot to mention Chessie.

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He's also a very good hire.

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I dug into his background a little bit at Holy Cross.

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He totally turned around an awful program.

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And he's a great culture guy, too, speaking of culture.

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So I think he'll do very well.

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All righty.

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Now back to the episode.

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Alrighty.

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And we are back and let's flip it down.

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Let's talk about the Hokies bowl game and know the enemy Tulane.

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We've already kind of mentioned it already.

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A lot of the enemies leave them.

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So it was very tough.

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Brian was looking at tape and Brian would be like, what about this guy?

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He's in the portal.

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Oh shit.

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What about the quarterback?

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Quarterback might be in the portal.

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He's hurt anyway.

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So it was a tough one to do, but we are going to hit some pieces of it.

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But what was just your general reaction, boys?

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It was the military bowl.

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Could have been the Mayo Bowl.

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It was rumors it could have been the Sun Bowl.

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Or were you just happy to be back?

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Is that feeling watching it on Sunday?

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Because last year it sucked.

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It did.

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You get to watch.

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It felt good to be, you know, talking about a bowl, to be back in the bowl.

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You know, honestly, you know, some people, just Twitter people, was, oh, we should be playing them.

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I said, man, I don't care who we play.

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I just want to win.

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We can play the Helen Keller school for all I care.

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I don't want to beat them.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Give me Guy, your dad.

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I'll go out there and beat Guy.

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I'll tell you one thing.

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Somebody said, we need to play Kentucky.

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I said, no, the fuck we don't.

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I don't want to play.

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I do not want to play Kentucky.

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I'm just tired of seeing it.

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I don't want to see them this year.

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But if we were to play them, like I said, I'm just excited to be back in the bowl games.

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So we have more content to talk about.

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You know, we're going to talk anyway, but we got more content to talk about, man, because when you got those weeks and everybody else is preparing for bowl game and you're sitting at home, it sucks, man, especially when, you know, you only win three games.

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So we double date win total this year.

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But for me.

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And I got to say, my esteemed colleague, Shelton, we expected it the whole time.

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I know y'all was in there, too.

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The whole BC team was in there.

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We were all in there the whole time.

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Even when we started out rough.

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Y'all were very confident.

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I will say that.

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Y'all were very confident.

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Even when we started out rough, though, Shelton kind of kept me grounded.

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He said, wait until ACC play.

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We'll be all right.

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We got to settle in a little bit here.

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He said, tally the analytics.

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That's what he said.

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You know, he'll hit you with that right there.

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And it's like, all right, man, once we got rolling and then we got to see some, we got to see, you know, last year we had three wins, but it was like a tough three wins too.

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It was like, we didn't have a lot of, man, we got highlight tapes this year.

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We got, you know, some cool stuff going on with social media, putting out videos and things like that.

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So it was six win season and it was just fun to watch.

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Fun to see.

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So you can feel the energy around the program, and you can feel that into the bowl game.

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So I was just excited to be back in bowl contention, honestly.

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Yeah, it was nice to see the team kind of hit a little bit of a reset button, clean things up a little bit after a three-game losing streak, and just go on a tear there in the ACC play against anyone that didn't end the season with a number next to their name.

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Mm-hmm.

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That was satisfying.

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And then, you know, speaking of bowl games, you know, it could have been Mayo, but the committee kind of fucked us there because as soon as FSU wasn't in, it was pretty much the Mayo was out of play for us.

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So it just took forever to finally get a,

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the call of where we were going out.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, you know, we kind of knew if, if it wasn't the Mayo, it was probably going to be some high level G5 team in the military bowl.

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So that's, you know, something that I kind of laugh at and, and, and everybody likes to downtrodden the ACC, you know, the ACC is playing every double digit when G5 team we're playing Tulane, BC's playing SMU and who am I missing?

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Um,

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Troy is playing Duke.

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Well, of course you're going to get a bad look.

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It's like, well, you should beat them.

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They won 11 games this year.

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They're still a good football team.

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They're still good teams, man.

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They are.

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And, by the way, shout out to those going, Shelton being one of them, contributing, selling out, selling out, selling out.

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The allotment up there.

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Now, are you going to drive up 301 and back same day, or are you going up to Nova and hanging out with somebody, Shelton, for the game?

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I got, so I have a preview set up.

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I got a family member who lives in Annapolis, like two miles from the stadium.

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So, I got the- That's the way to do it.

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Would they harbor three, you know, ruffians?

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Degenerates?

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I don't think so.

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I can't, my kid's got a doctor's appointment.

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My wife would, I wouldn't be able to come home for a month if I did that.

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All righty, well, let's jump into it, Brian.

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Let's talk about this offense.

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talk about a couple players, and then talk about scheme.

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Let's just talk about the scheme in general.

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Obviously, the offensive coordinator is no longer there, right?

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Is he gone?

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No, he's not gone.

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I thought he was gone, but he might not be gone.

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Everdeen.

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Everdeen.

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OC's gone, right, Sheldon?

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You had it up.

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Shoot, I forgot.

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I thought it was a DC.

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No, yes, because the interim head coach is going to call the plays, so I think so.

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Okay, there you go.

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All right, but what are we looking at system-wise, scheme-wise?

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Yeah, so what we're looking at here, I mean, it's a pro spread system.

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They will go multiple front.

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Quarterback is mostly a shotgun, will go under center.

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They run a lot of wildcat and pistol as well.

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Lots of quick passes predicated on the quick passing game.

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They like to move the ball in the pocket in the passing game, so they're going to roll the quarterback out a good deal.

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And they're really consistent and effective in the running game, which sets up their play action whenever they want to kind of take those shots.

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All right, good deal.

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Well, let's talk about – I do not have a lot of info on these guys because when they were dropping like flies, I was not going to do the research.

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I was not taking the time.

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But I want to talk about Makai Hughes because Makai Hughes, how is this kid not in the portal?

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He rushed for almost 1,300 yards this year, over five a carry, seven touchdowns, and he's a freshman at Tulane.

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How is that kid not in the portal?

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Now watch, Brian, because he's not in the portal yet, you get to tell us what he does good.

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Yeah, and based on who else is in the portal, and I know we'll talk about that a little bit, this is their offense.

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From my estimation of who's left that I can actually give you information about, this is their offense.

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Um, but it's, it's, it's a damn good player to have to say that about.

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I mean, he's got good vision, uh, and improvisation as a running back runs with really good balance.

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Um, likes to take the cutback game lanes.

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If the, uh, the defense kind of over pursues in the running game, um, runs through kind of those pop and arm tackles.

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So you got to wrap him up.

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Um, and surprisingly a good blocker for a true freshman.

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But I mean, if he's a freshman and he's on the field, he's probably blocking because otherwise he wouldn't be there.

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or he'd only be there in certain situations.

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That's what we're looking at here.

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Like I said, he's got a little bit of breakaway, so he can hit the home run, but he is kind of just a guy that you've got to bring down because he will pop some of those little bursts on you from here or there and kind of grind it out.

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All righty.

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All righty.

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We were going to talk about Alex Bauman, but legitimately, Brian even had the notes in here on Bauman, and then literally he went into portal today.

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Because – That's their tight end, by the way.

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That's their tight end.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Sheldon, you hit real quick before Brian jumps on the offensive line.

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We know they're missing Chris Brazell.

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We know Pratt's probably not going to play.

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And a couple other – their wideouts have been banged.

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But you looked up a few of their guys.

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Like, what are they missing?

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Like, seriously, you know, analytics-wise.

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Yeah.

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Well, obviously Brazil, you mentioned he was a pretty solid grader in PFF, about 16 yards per catch, uh, pretty efficient in yards for route run.

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And when he was targeted, he was top 20 among, among group of five wide receivers when targeted efficiency, efficiency rating wise.

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Um, and then some of their, some of the other guys, defensive linemen.

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Um, I don't know if these guys are officially, yeah, it looks like they are cause they're receiving offers.

01:05:00.571 --> 01:05:01.612
So, um,

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Devian Deal, if I'm mispronouncing that.

01:05:06.900 --> 01:05:10.962
Really good pass rusher, 83.4 pass rush grade, 28 total QB pressures.

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Keith Cooper Jr., another D lineman.

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He's got five sacks, 77 rush defense grade.

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Not a great tackler, but they've also got defensive back DJ Douglas, three INTs, 72 pass rush grade, and very good in coverage around 78, which is 28 in the group of five.

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So missing a couple big boys in the D line and a couple –

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A couple of good skill guys as well.

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Yep.

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And Brazil right now, Tally, you see where he's likely going?

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Mm-mm.

01:05:41.092 --> 01:05:41.752
Tennessee.

01:05:43.253 --> 01:05:43.793
That's good.

01:05:44.173 --> 01:05:46.014
That's a big difference, man.

01:05:46.715 --> 01:05:46.915
It is.

01:05:46.955 --> 01:05:48.696
He did something right.

01:05:49.516 --> 01:05:51.317
And, again, this is why the portal's good, right?

01:05:51.738 --> 01:06:01.003
A kid was – you go look at Chris Brazil and who he was coming out of high school, like a mid-three star, mid to low three star.

01:06:02.569 --> 01:06:07.673
nowhere, nowhere had him ranked in the top 100 wide receivers in the country last year.

01:06:08.454 --> 01:06:09.675
He goes there and he blows up.

01:06:10.175 --> 01:06:10.735
Good for him.

01:06:11.436 --> 01:06:12.336
This is what it's for.

01:06:14.618 --> 01:06:20.262
Brian, they do not have, or if they do, they don't have many offensive linemen out.

01:06:22.444 --> 01:06:24.866
But what does their offensive line look like?

01:06:26.162 --> 01:06:29.946
Better in the run game than they are in pass pro for sure.

01:06:30.927 --> 01:06:36.313
Looking at them, good job of passing defenders off in the combo and getting to the second level.

01:06:37.153 --> 01:06:44.501
The quick passing game disguises some of their pass pro deficiencies, but they really don't do a very good job in pass pro overall.

01:06:46.202 --> 01:06:47.103
The question is, will the

01:06:47.944 --> 01:06:57.348
the skill players that they're missing and the lack of timing that we'll probably see with some of those newer skill players, is that going to create a problem?

01:06:57.408 --> 01:06:59.649
Is that going to throw off some of the timing of those quick hitters?

01:06:59.689 --> 01:07:03.031
And are we going to have some additional opportunities to get after the quarterback?

01:07:03.051 --> 01:07:05.312
A hundred percent.

01:07:05.712 --> 01:07:10.494
Tally, you mentioned you watched Pratt or you watched them play Ole Miss, right?

01:07:10.554 --> 01:07:12.795
You watched a lot of that game where Pratt was not there.

01:07:14.075 --> 01:07:14.716
Yeah, a little bit.

01:07:14.816 --> 01:07:15.796
I watched a little bit of it.

01:07:15.876 --> 01:07:17.217
It seems like it was years ago.

01:07:18.103 --> 01:07:18.463
It does.

01:07:18.543 --> 01:07:19.184
It was months ago.

01:07:19.224 --> 01:07:25.569
But I can remember you mentioned to me, like, without even their number one quarterback, they hung with them most of that game until the fourth quarter.

01:07:25.969 --> 01:07:26.229
Yeah.

01:07:26.449 --> 01:07:27.970
Yeah, they gave Ole Miss all they could handle.

01:07:27.990 --> 01:07:28.471
You know what I'm saying?

01:07:28.771 --> 01:07:32.173
But they just had – I think they were a well-coached team and they had some skill positions.

01:07:32.234 --> 01:07:37.017
So, you know, I'm glad we ain't playing that team.

01:07:37.277 --> 01:07:38.358
I'm glad half of them gone.

01:07:40.290 --> 01:07:41.031
I want to win.

01:07:41.873 --> 01:07:44.177
I want to be right, and I want to win.

01:07:44.557 --> 01:07:45.719
He wants to win.

01:07:46.962 --> 01:07:48.304
Sheldon, you got anything on Pratt?

01:07:48.584 --> 01:07:52.912
Because apparently there's also talk that he could declare for the draft.

01:07:54.252 --> 01:07:55.473
No, unfortunately, I don't have anything on him.

01:07:55.813 --> 01:07:56.373
Nothing on Brett?

01:07:56.793 --> 01:07:57.374
Yeah.

01:07:57.714 --> 01:08:03.637
I mean, he threw for 2,400 yards this year, 22 touchdown, five picks, close to 300 yards rushing.

01:08:04.477 --> 01:08:13.342
So, obviously, if he's not there and their backup went out, I think I read today the guy who will be starting has taken seven snaps in his entire career.

01:08:15.936 --> 01:08:20.017
I don't like that, too, because every time that happens to us, they have – Don't say it.

01:08:20.057 --> 01:08:20.637
You know it.

01:08:21.398 --> 01:08:22.518
You say it all the time.

01:08:22.538 --> 01:08:23.378
Why can't I say it?

01:08:23.959 --> 01:08:26.299
All right, Brian, let's flip over to the defense next.

01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:31.061
Obviously, Shum's already mentioned they're missing some really key players there, man.

01:08:31.321 --> 01:08:37.183
But they do have a couple guys that, as of today, as of today at this very moment –

01:08:39.546 --> 01:08:42.848
10.43 Eastern Standard Time on December 13th.

01:08:42.948 --> 01:08:44.029
They're still there.

01:08:45.070 --> 01:08:47.331
What does the scheme look like and who are a couple of the good players?

01:08:48.592 --> 01:08:53.635
Yeah, I mean, they run a multiple front kind of hybrid 4-3 base defense.

01:08:54.855 --> 01:08:58.117
Standing defensive end and linebacker hybrid, they use that.

01:08:58.137 --> 01:08:59.078
That's called the dog.

01:09:00.539 --> 01:09:03.881
They also have a hybrid safety linebacker that they call the anchor.

01:09:05.274 --> 01:09:11.959
They like to bring a lot of pressure on run and pass downs from every level, so they kind of mix things up from a defensive perspective with the pressure.

01:09:11.999 --> 01:09:19.684
They will bring people all the time from different levels so they're not afraid to get after the quarterback and cause some confusion for the offensive line in the run game.

01:09:21.225 --> 01:09:21.625
All righty.

01:09:21.966 --> 01:09:23.787
Let's talk about Jesus Machado here.

01:09:24.167 --> 01:09:27.149
They're starting Mike Linebacker.

01:09:27.209 --> 01:09:29.371
Guy had close to 100 tackles this year.

01:09:31.264 --> 01:09:32.267
What's he do good?

01:09:32.347 --> 01:09:33.369
What's he do bad?

01:09:33.830 --> 01:09:37.118
Can we take advantage of him if he doesn't have some of the players Shelton mentioned?

01:09:38.257 --> 01:09:39.317
Yeah, he's their Mike backer.

01:09:39.337 --> 01:09:40.898
They used him a lot on the blitzes, though.

01:09:40.918 --> 01:09:43.479
He's playing in the backfield a good deal.

01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:46.000
Definitely their best tackler in the front seven.

01:09:47.401 --> 01:09:48.681
Cover a lot of ground fast.

01:09:49.142 --> 01:09:50.782
Guy that can move around a good deal.

01:09:51.002 --> 01:09:55.464
And probably his biggest weakness is he's not good at shedding blockers.

01:09:55.504 --> 01:10:01.227
So if he doesn't have a couple guys up front protecting him and giving him some cover, could be a long day for him.

01:10:01.267 --> 01:10:04.168
But if he's running free, he can make some plays.

01:10:06.335 --> 01:10:06.895
All righty.

01:10:07.736 --> 01:10:25.863
And another guy that is, again, still there who actually had a pretty good season, another defensive lineman, Darius Hodge, actually will have another year of eligibility left, so he may be leaving but may want to play one more game.

01:10:25.903 --> 01:10:32.125
Led the team in sacks with seven and a half, you know, six-foot-four, 265-pound defensive lineman.

01:10:32.365 --> 01:10:34.606
Where is he lined up at, and how good is he?

01:10:35.436 --> 01:10:36.217
He's the dog.

01:10:36.717 --> 01:10:41.700
Uh, he was, uh, yeah, so he's the DN occasionally puts his hand in the dirt, usually standing up though.

01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:50.506
Um, they'll slide him back into a backer spot if they go with that three man front, um, really good blend of speed and power, really good motor.

01:10:51.566 --> 01:10:55.931
Um, definitely I'd say he's better at rushing the passer than he is at like stuff in the run.

01:10:55.951 --> 01:11:06.063
Um, and they will use them in coverage when he's in the back or spotter or sometimes from the end and like a zone blitz type situation where he's dropping in the flats or spying, things like that.

01:11:06.103 --> 01:11:08.306
So he's, he's pretty good at those responsibilities as well.

01:11:09.186 --> 01:11:12.307
All right, and again, the plethora of players that are out, they are missing.

01:11:12.407 --> 01:11:15.007
I think Demario Douglas is like their best secondary guy.

01:11:15.988 --> 01:11:17.288
So many different players.

01:11:18.848 --> 01:11:26.390
This is where usually this is really fun for Brian, and it's usually fun for us because we're – every week we get to – Sean's looking at the analytics.

01:11:26.410 --> 01:11:27.230
Tally's looking at tape.

01:11:27.250 --> 01:11:27.930
He's looking at stats.

01:11:27.970 --> 01:11:28.670
I'm looking at data.

01:11:28.690 --> 01:11:30.111
I'm looking at where they're at.

01:11:30.131 --> 01:11:30.991
This kind of sucked.

01:11:32.426 --> 01:11:34.627
I was more looking like, who's left?

01:11:34.867 --> 01:11:35.807
Who's on the team still?

01:11:36.527 --> 01:11:44.470
We knew that Makai had transfers, so we were like, all right, at least the best running back is there, so we can focus on that.

01:11:44.990 --> 01:11:48.111
Defense, you at least had your number one tackler there.

01:11:48.912 --> 01:11:50.772
And their best sack guy right now.

01:11:51.172 --> 01:11:52.793
Right now, they could be doing stuff.

01:11:52.893 --> 01:11:55.354
All right, well, we still got a game to play.

01:11:55.794 --> 01:11:57.795
It is going to be exactly two weeks from today.

01:12:00.458 --> 01:12:02.299
Tally, I'm going to let you start it off here.

01:12:03.440 --> 01:12:04.781
What is your key to this game?

01:12:06.042 --> 01:12:07.463
You just got to focus on yourself.

01:12:07.483 --> 01:12:08.803
You got to do what you do good.

01:12:09.284 --> 01:12:12.466
You know, you don't know quite what scheme they're going to come out with.

01:12:12.486 --> 01:12:14.087
You don't know what players they're going to come out with.

01:12:14.487 --> 01:12:15.388
But you know what you got.

01:12:15.708 --> 01:12:16.849
You know what players you're taking.

01:12:17.309 --> 01:12:19.570
You know what you can do good, and you know what you can't do good.

01:12:19.991 --> 01:12:20.971
You just got to go do that.

01:12:21.151 --> 01:12:22.172
You just got to go play.

01:12:22.612 --> 01:12:24.594
You got to stay true to who you are, you know.

01:12:25.114 --> 01:12:27.996
You got to go run your offense and your defense, and you got to go win a game.

01:12:28.596 --> 01:12:31.397
So enjoy the bowl week.

01:12:31.717 --> 01:12:38.998
You know, I know they probably do some gifts and they get to go do some different things that's tied along to that bowl, which is great for those kids.

01:12:39.939 --> 01:12:43.440
But we just got to go play Virginia Tech football and we'll be fine.

01:12:43.460 --> 01:12:45.900
All right, Sean, what about you?

01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:47.140
What is the key to the game?

01:12:47.400 --> 01:12:52.222
You obviously looked over some data and things like that and know a little bit about some of their players.

01:12:52.542 --> 01:12:53.882
What's the key to you on this game?

01:12:55.063 --> 01:13:00.946
Well, look, I'm not going to use the data because there's just so many missing guys, so many unknowns, so many different pieces.

01:13:01.486 --> 01:13:07.470
I don't know if you can really get a good feel for a game like this looking just at numbers because of how many variables there are.

01:13:08.190 --> 01:13:12.272
But I think the biggest key for me is just show up and act like you want to be there.

01:13:13.213 --> 01:13:17.235
I think with bowl games, it's easy to look at it as a vacation.

01:13:17.955 --> 01:13:21.477
But if they show up, I think it's a big game for VT.

01:13:21.497 --> 01:13:24.419
You go into this season with a winning record potentially.

01:13:25.228 --> 01:13:26.809
good momentum going into the offseason.

01:13:27.089 --> 01:13:31.830
First bowl win potentially for VT in seven years.

01:13:32.191 --> 01:13:33.131
That's crazy to think about.

01:13:33.571 --> 01:13:34.831
Military Bowl, right?

01:13:34.851 --> 01:13:36.632
There's a Military Bowl.

01:13:36.652 --> 01:13:37.032
2016 Belk Bowl.

01:13:37.052 --> 01:13:37.312
Arkansas.

01:13:37.332 --> 01:13:37.452
Yeah.

01:13:37.512 --> 01:13:38.793
Yeah, we had one since then.

01:13:38.813 --> 01:13:39.873
Yeah, so just show up and play.

01:13:39.893 --> 01:13:42.034
Tech's a better team.

01:13:42.054 --> 01:13:44.215
They've got better players.

01:13:44.275 --> 01:13:44.735
They just have to

01:13:53.342 --> 01:13:54.703
They just have to act like they won it.

01:13:54.883 --> 01:13:57.565
And if they do that, then they'll win pretty easily, I think.

01:13:58.265 --> 01:13:59.226
Brian, what about you, man?

01:14:00.127 --> 01:14:03.649
I'm going to kind of really kind of pivot from what Sheldon was saying there.

01:14:03.669 --> 01:14:07.712
And the way that you show up and you play like that is you don't beat yourself.

01:14:09.442 --> 01:14:21.825
I think if we limit the mistakes, limit the procedure penalties, limit any sort of turnovers, you know, limit those head scratching plays on defense where you give up a really big run.

01:14:22.665 --> 01:14:26.046
If we don't beat ourselves, we should win this game pretty easily.

01:14:26.066 --> 01:14:27.546
Yeah.

01:14:27.646 --> 01:14:30.707
And I'm I got to do something real quick.

01:14:32.242 --> 01:14:34.983
Just because that is funny as hell.

01:14:35.043 --> 01:14:36.444
I love you, Robbie.

01:14:36.524 --> 01:14:37.045
I love you.

01:14:37.085 --> 01:14:39.606
By the way, I was aware that Annapolis is not a vacation spot.

01:14:39.666 --> 01:14:40.706
It just felt good to say.

01:14:40.726 --> 01:14:44.068
I know.

01:14:44.108 --> 01:14:46.409
This is what I want to say, and I've said it a few times this year.

01:14:46.469 --> 01:14:47.430
They've got to let it hang.

01:14:48.210 --> 01:14:50.391
If you've got a trick play that you – Let what hang, Curtis?

01:14:50.812 --> 01:14:51.372
Let it hang.

01:14:51.592 --> 01:14:52.613
Let it all hang.

01:14:52.633 --> 01:14:53.333
Let it all hang.

01:14:53.353 --> 01:14:55.294
Where are you letting it hang, Curtis?

01:14:58.075 --> 01:14:58.695
Y'all know where.

01:14:59.095 --> 01:15:01.676
But why I say that is it's the bowl game.

01:15:02.456 --> 01:15:04.056
If you've got a trick play, run it.

01:15:04.636 --> 01:15:06.917
If you've got something you want to do a little crazy on defense, do it.

01:15:07.077 --> 01:15:08.697
You want to fake a punt, do it.

01:15:09.397 --> 01:15:10.178
Let it hang.

01:15:10.618 --> 01:15:11.258
Play loose.

01:15:12.098 --> 01:15:12.598
You know what?

01:15:13.318 --> 01:15:13.958
It's a bowl game.

01:15:14.018 --> 01:15:14.679
It's meaningless.

01:15:14.699 --> 01:15:17.339
I know some people say, well, the practices are not.

01:15:18.379 --> 01:15:26.381
The practices are not meaningless because right now it could mean where people are going or after that bowl game are people out.

01:15:27.372 --> 01:15:27.932
in the portal.

01:15:27.992 --> 01:15:29.833
So, you know, we'll see.

01:15:29.853 --> 01:15:30.353
All right.

01:15:30.413 --> 01:15:34.815
Well, now we got to make predictions and y'all slackers didn't put anything in here.

01:15:34.835 --> 01:15:37.636
So I don't know what y'all's heads thinking, but I prediction.

01:15:37.676 --> 01:15:49.801
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01:15:49.841 --> 01:15:53.642
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01:15:55.523 --> 01:15:55.923
I'm coming.

01:15:56.063 --> 01:15:56.283
Hang on.

01:15:58.629 --> 01:16:02.710
Coming up in the corner there, very small because we've got a lot of games we're picking tonight, having fun.

01:16:03.550 --> 01:16:08.532
Use that or go to boundarycornervt.com backslash bcpicks.

01:16:08.692 --> 01:16:10.872
The VT game is not on the board.

01:16:10.932 --> 01:16:12.073
Just want to give you the heads up.

01:16:12.693 --> 01:16:13.453
No worries.

01:16:13.493 --> 01:16:14.013
No worries.

01:16:14.614 --> 01:16:14.934
All right.

01:16:14.994 --> 01:16:18.095
Well, I want to start with Shelton.

01:16:18.155 --> 01:16:20.395
Shelton, what is your prediction for this Hokie game?

01:16:21.996 --> 01:16:23.396
Yeah, I'm taking VT.

01:16:23.516 --> 01:16:25.457
I don't really have a spread or anything like that.

01:16:25.537 --> 01:16:26.637
I think they're going to win by –

01:16:28.317 --> 01:16:30.019
by at least one score, probably two.

01:16:30.419 --> 01:16:30.919
Okay.

01:16:31.459 --> 01:16:33.080
Yeah, I think it's just no contest.

01:16:33.140 --> 01:16:34.381
I mean, they've got the better team.

01:16:34.401 --> 01:16:35.442
Their guys are locked in.

01:16:35.482 --> 01:16:38.104
I think they're going to come out and have a good game.

01:16:38.124 --> 01:16:38.364
All right.

01:16:38.584 --> 01:16:39.344
Tally, what about you?

01:16:39.364 --> 01:16:42.787
I'm going to say Virginia Tech, 48-14.

01:16:42.807 --> 01:16:46.769
Big beat blowout.

01:16:47.109 --> 01:16:48.310
All righty.

01:16:48.430 --> 01:16:48.810
Sigla?

01:16:50.451 --> 01:16:53.253
Give me the Hokies, 38-14.

01:16:54.875 --> 01:16:55.616
38-14.

01:16:55.656 --> 01:16:57.118
I'm not far behind y'all at all.

01:16:57.238 --> 01:17:00.222
And, again, going through knowing how much they lost losing a head coach.

01:17:00.703 --> 01:17:04.027
And I think what some of y'all said, I think we are locked in.

01:17:05.086 --> 01:17:06.467
I think this team is locked in.

01:17:06.707 --> 01:17:11.089
You're seeing it from the announcements of guys coming back and things like that.

01:17:11.129 --> 01:17:11.970
They are locked in.

01:17:12.050 --> 01:17:12.550
Give me 41-17.

01:17:12.590 --> 01:17:15.111
It's not even going to be that close.

01:17:15.632 --> 01:17:26.457
I think they get a couple garbage times when the walk-ons, like, you know, the white number 27 defensive back that Tally loves so much is on the field late in the game.

01:17:26.897 --> 01:17:27.338
Childers.

01:17:28.340 --> 01:17:29.140
Children, there we go.

01:17:29.741 --> 01:17:30.141
All righty.

01:17:30.321 --> 01:17:32.462
Well, now we get to pick some bowl games.

01:17:32.582 --> 01:17:33.442
Are we picking them all?

01:17:33.522 --> 01:17:35.963
No, because we do not feel like being here until 1230.

01:17:36.963 --> 01:17:37.344
Just don't.

01:17:37.364 --> 01:17:39.324
It's 41 of them, 43 of them this year.

01:17:39.785 --> 01:17:46.367
But what we did was we went through and we looked at our bowls and said, you know what, that's going to be a fun game to watch.

01:17:46.707 --> 01:17:49.628
Because starting next week, let's be real, y'all.

01:17:50.029 --> 01:17:52.830
Sheldon, we know you're pretty much – you're off for a few weeks here.

01:17:53.943 --> 01:17:56.044
I'm taking off like 12 days at the end of the year.

01:17:56.084 --> 01:17:57.824
Brian, I know you're working sparingly.

01:17:58.704 --> 01:17:59.845
Tally, you ain't working.

01:18:00.185 --> 01:18:02.745
After tomorrow, I'm working from home the rest of the year.

01:18:02.765 --> 01:18:06.186
So I'm not going to see the office again until the new year after tomorrow.

01:18:06.246 --> 01:18:07.587
You ain't getting nothing done the rest of the year.

01:18:07.607 --> 01:18:09.207
He's going to be watching the bowl games.

01:18:09.227 --> 01:18:11.207
It's like, there's an email, they're good.

01:18:11.367 --> 01:18:15.088
So we picked some fun ones out, and that's what we're going to be picking tonight.

01:18:15.449 --> 01:18:16.249
No spread, though.

01:18:16.409 --> 01:18:16.629
Why?

01:18:17.500 --> 01:18:18.221
Spread's too tough.

01:18:18.481 --> 01:18:20.544
Just who we think is the better team and where they are.

01:18:21.244 --> 01:18:22.446
And we are starting.

01:18:22.566 --> 01:18:24.668
I don't know the order you put it in, Brian, so you're going to have to.

01:18:24.688 --> 01:18:26.751
Same order that you had it in in the text.

01:18:26.771 --> 01:18:30.836
So we'll lead off here with one of the ones I picked here.

01:18:30.856 --> 01:18:32.017
All right.

01:18:32.177 --> 01:18:37.283
This is the – we got the Soak Dickens versus the Car Wash Dickens.

01:18:39.815 --> 01:18:41.175
The Las Vegas Bowl.

01:18:42.016 --> 01:18:43.176
The Las Vegas Bowl.

01:18:45.097 --> 01:18:46.318
And, you know, I'll leave here.

01:18:46.358 --> 01:18:47.519
I've got Utah on this one.

01:18:47.539 --> 01:18:48.679
All right.

01:18:49.720 --> 01:18:50.760
Utah Northwestern.

01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:52.021
Am I picking this one next?

01:18:52.181 --> 01:18:53.882
Yeah, we're snaking it through here.

01:18:53.922 --> 01:18:55.223
We're snaking this one through.

01:18:55.243 --> 01:18:55.963
All right.

01:18:56.643 --> 01:18:57.864
Who the hell did I say?

01:18:57.964 --> 01:19:00.065
I think I got Utah on this one.

01:19:00.956 --> 01:19:01.277
You did.

01:19:01.297 --> 01:19:02.118
I did.

01:19:02.318 --> 01:19:02.698
Utah.

01:19:03.459 --> 01:19:03.780
Utah.

01:19:04.080 --> 01:19:10.068
Northwestern's dream season of somehow making a bowl after everything that went on in the offseason is done.

01:19:10.088 --> 01:19:11.350
Tally, who you got?

01:19:11.370 --> 01:19:12.631
I'm going Utah.

01:19:14.614 --> 01:19:15.015
All right.

01:19:15.295 --> 01:19:16.677
Utah and Shelton.

01:19:17.321 --> 01:19:18.301
Give me Utah.

01:19:18.442 --> 01:19:21.103
Northwestern's had a great year, but they're punching well above their weight class.

01:19:21.163 --> 01:19:22.383
I think Utah's going to shut them down.

01:19:23.504 --> 01:19:25.745
Everybody says soaking is better than car wash.

01:19:26.085 --> 01:19:29.426
Soaking is better than car wash.

01:19:30.247 --> 01:19:30.827
All righty.

01:19:30.927 --> 01:19:31.647
Next game.

01:19:32.147 --> 01:19:33.028
Whose choice was this?

01:19:33.848 --> 01:19:34.528
Holiday Bowl.

01:19:34.588 --> 01:19:35.089
Was that mine?

01:19:35.469 --> 01:19:36.249
That was mine, wasn't it?

01:19:36.709 --> 01:19:37.230
That was yours.

01:19:37.270 --> 01:19:38.390
Holiday Bowl's next.

01:19:38.630 --> 01:19:39.831
USC Louisville.

01:19:41.111 --> 01:19:42.732
Shelton, who you got in this one?

01:19:43.655 --> 01:19:46.636
I'm taking Louisville just because I feel like they'd be more motivated.

01:19:46.656 --> 01:19:51.299
I feel like USC probably had playoff expectations, so they're probably less likely to really care about this game.

01:19:51.319 --> 01:19:53.940
All right, good deal.

01:19:54.040 --> 01:19:54.720
Tally, tally.

01:19:55.260 --> 01:19:57.541
I'm taking Louisville as well.

01:19:59.302 --> 01:19:59.702
All righty.

01:19:59.722 --> 01:20:02.564
Brian, I'll let you pop that up for tally.

01:20:03.044 --> 01:20:04.024
And this is the one I picked.

01:20:04.284 --> 01:20:08.686
I think regardless of this game, I know Caleb Williams is not playing.

01:20:09.187 --> 01:20:11.408
I think this is going to be an entertaining-ass offensive game.

01:20:12.108 --> 01:20:16.193
because you got two high-level guys in Braum and Riley.

01:20:17.394 --> 01:20:19.477
First of all, take the over, if anything.

01:20:19.737 --> 01:20:21.540
Louisville wins by 10, though.

01:20:23.499 --> 01:20:24.940
Yeah, I'm riding with Louisville too.

01:20:25.020 --> 01:20:30.342
I think to Shelton's point, I think Louisville's just got more to play for here.

01:20:30.382 --> 01:20:34.764
I think this is kind of a consolation for USC here.

01:20:34.804 --> 01:20:36.504
They had aspirations for more.

01:20:37.004 --> 01:20:39.806
They've got a couple guys, key guys, that are not going to be playing in the game.

01:20:39.826 --> 01:20:41.666
I just think Louisville's going to have more to play for here.

01:20:42.567 --> 01:20:43.047
All righty.

01:20:43.809 --> 01:20:49.615
All right, next one was my actually second choice, and this is going to be on the 28th and 11 o'clock kick.

01:20:50.355 --> 01:20:55.300
Place I have been before, the Fenway Bowl, BC versus SMU.

01:20:55.320 --> 01:21:01.346
Future ACC matchup here, the BC Eagles versus SMU.

01:21:01.566 --> 01:21:03.108
Brian, who are you taking in this one?

01:21:04.572 --> 01:21:05.752
Give me SMU here.

01:21:06.673 --> 01:21:15.535
I just think that top to bottom, they're probably one of the best, if not the best, G5 programs about to be a Power 5 ACC program.

01:21:15.575 --> 01:21:18.916
So, yeah, give me SMU to pull this one out.

01:21:19.796 --> 01:21:20.276
All righty.

01:21:21.837 --> 01:21:23.537
How can BC even get up for this game?

01:21:23.617 --> 01:21:26.638
It's literally like eight minutes from their campus.

01:21:27.258 --> 01:21:28.419
Like, how do you get up for that?

01:21:28.459 --> 01:21:29.699
Like, Sheldon, you made the point.

01:21:29.759 --> 01:21:30.319
It's a bowl game.

01:21:30.979 --> 01:21:31.699
Send us away.

01:21:31.739 --> 01:21:33.380
We're supposed to have fun for a few days.

01:21:34.397 --> 01:21:36.899
Give me SMU and SMU big.

01:21:40.221 --> 01:21:41.141
I got to go SMU.

01:21:41.161 --> 01:21:45.064
I just think SMU is the better team here.

01:21:45.905 --> 01:21:46.585
So I'm going to go with them.

01:21:47.646 --> 01:21:48.286
All righty.

01:21:49.007 --> 01:21:53.610
Boston College is probably the worst ball team to make a ball in the FBS this season.

01:21:53.650 --> 01:21:55.311
So I don't think it's that close personally.

01:21:55.351 --> 01:21:56.251
I'll take SMU all day.

01:21:56.852 --> 01:21:57.332
All righty.

01:21:57.967 --> 01:22:01.288
Man, we are all talking the same language up and down this.

01:22:01.388 --> 01:22:04.249
All right, which one of y'all picked this pinstripe bowl?

01:22:06.430 --> 01:22:08.470
I think Tally had Rutgers Miami, yeah.

01:22:08.910 --> 01:22:10.631
Tally, Tally, you got this one.

01:22:10.651 --> 01:22:16.613
This one's actually right after the Fenway Bowl on the 28th of December.

01:22:17.293 --> 01:22:18.973
And Sheldon will let you lead this one.

01:22:19.594 --> 01:22:20.514
Rutgers or Miami?

01:22:20.534 --> 01:22:20.614
Okay.

01:22:21.147 --> 01:22:22.908
Yeah, I just took Miami off the hunch.

01:22:23.208 --> 01:22:28.289
I think Rutgers has a good defense, but don't trust their offense, so I'll take ACC for this one.

01:22:30.930 --> 01:22:35.811
Yeah, I'll take Miami on this, kind of like Shelton said.

01:22:35.851 --> 01:22:38.132
Rutgers has a pretty good defense.

01:22:38.152 --> 01:22:42.213
I think Miami has the athletes enough just to play in this game and win.

01:22:42.273 --> 01:22:44.694
All righty.

01:22:45.618 --> 01:22:48.620
I'm going against y'all on this, and I'm going against the ACC on this.

01:22:49.321 --> 01:22:55.505
This game is going to be – and, yes, it is close to Rutgers, so I'm going against my terminology on the PC shit here.

01:22:56.666 --> 01:22:57.927
But it is going to be in New York.

01:22:58.868 --> 01:23:00.049
It is going to probably be yucky.

01:23:00.229 --> 01:23:01.670
It is probably going to be snowing.

01:23:01.690 --> 01:23:06.574
The Miami boys don't want nothing but a good defense and a hard-hitting game.

01:23:07.964 --> 01:23:12.790
They're going to be happy to see the city, go up to Empire State Building, and do all the touristy stuff.

01:23:13.271 --> 01:23:14.072
Top of the rock.

01:23:14.453 --> 01:23:16.095
Top of the rock.

01:23:16.435 --> 01:23:20.180
Top of the rock.

01:23:20.260 --> 01:23:21.482
First different one on the board.

01:23:21.522 --> 01:23:22.203
Give me Rutgers.

01:23:23.884 --> 01:23:25.405
Curtis, I'm following right there with you.

01:23:26.345 --> 01:23:28.785
It's got really nothing to do with those intangible things.

01:23:28.865 --> 01:23:40.728
It's got to do with the fact that when you look at a defense that plays as well as they do and having a lot of things are kind of trending well for Rutgers right now.

01:23:40.768 --> 01:23:42.689
They just signed an extension for Shiano.

01:23:42.709 --> 01:23:46.490
You got Benign Guy back, so he's playing in this bowl game.

01:23:46.570 --> 01:23:49.310
I feel like there's just so many positives for that program.

01:23:49.651 --> 01:23:50.871
I think Miami is kind of

01:23:51.511 --> 01:23:53.173
trying to figure out who they are still.

01:23:53.233 --> 01:23:55.855
And I think it's going to be Rutgers in a very close one.

01:23:56.696 --> 01:23:56.996
All right.

01:23:57.056 --> 01:23:57.817
Rutgers, very close.

01:23:58.297 --> 01:24:01.039
Are we going over or is this going to be ugly?

01:24:02.080 --> 01:24:03.361
I think it could be ugly.

01:24:03.382 --> 01:24:03.902
Okay.

01:24:03.922 --> 01:24:04.142
All right.

01:24:04.703 --> 01:24:05.884
All right.

01:24:05.944 --> 01:24:08.626
Next one we got here going to be probably a pretty fun.

01:24:08.726 --> 01:24:10.027
Actually, we went back to back to back.

01:24:10.047 --> 01:24:11.489
We got the same day, the 28th.

01:24:11.729 --> 01:24:16.073
We ain't doing anything but sipping on and eating a little food.

01:24:16.473 --> 01:24:17.114
NC State.

01:24:18.032 --> 01:24:19.572
Kansas State at the Pop Tarts Bowl.

01:24:19.592 --> 01:24:21.133
This was one of Shelton's picks here.

01:24:21.233 --> 01:24:23.894
Shelton, we'll get to you and why you like this matchup so much.

01:24:24.414 --> 01:24:25.174
Brian, who you got?

01:24:25.994 --> 01:24:28.215
Doesn't this have like an edible mascot or some shit?

01:24:28.475 --> 01:24:29.435
They say it does.

01:24:30.716 --> 01:24:31.656
They said it has an edible?

01:24:31.716 --> 01:24:31.996
Yes.

01:24:32.656 --> 01:24:36.537
And the people are questioning, is it like they make a giant Pop Tart?

01:24:38.318 --> 01:24:38.938
I don't know.

01:24:39.078 --> 01:24:40.819
There's a lot of questions going on about this.

01:24:40.859 --> 01:24:44.860
I heard that on some podcast the other day about, is it a giant edible Pop Tart?

01:24:46.092 --> 01:24:46.492
You know what?

01:24:46.552 --> 01:24:47.532
I'm going NC State here.

01:24:47.552 --> 01:24:50.633
I feel like they've they closed the season on a very high note.

01:24:51.774 --> 01:24:54.174
And I think they keep that train rolling into the bowl season.

01:24:55.435 --> 01:24:56.675
Yeah, I'm right there with you.

01:24:56.695 --> 01:25:06.438
And also kind of it's some flux going on at Kansas State with Colin Klein leaving and taking the A&M job.

01:25:07.702 --> 01:25:13.266
A&M OC job with Elko and some other things going on at Kansas state as well.

01:25:14.787 --> 01:25:17.570
I've saw some headlines, like some of the bullshit going on in Kansas state.

01:25:17.630 --> 01:25:21.493
So yeah, NC state, even though they have some bullshit going on too.

01:25:23.394 --> 01:25:23.654
Yeah.

01:25:23.854 --> 01:25:25.796
Give me, give me, give me a NC state.

01:25:28.698 --> 01:25:30.179
I'm going to NC state, man.

01:25:30.579 --> 01:25:32.801
I'm just, Hey, I'm saying SEC.

01:25:32.881 --> 01:25:35.523
I mean, ACC, man, we, we ride together.

01:25:35.543 --> 01:25:36.164
We die together.

01:25:36.224 --> 01:25:36.384
Right.

01:25:37.865 --> 01:25:38.125
All righty.

01:25:38.686 --> 01:25:39.726
Shelton, you picked this one.

01:25:39.826 --> 01:25:41.147
What intrigued you so much about it?

01:25:42.167 --> 01:25:46.249
Two really solid programs that have done a good job at developing players as of late.

01:25:46.830 --> 01:25:49.771
NC State has one 10-win season in the history of their program.

01:25:50.171 --> 01:25:51.692
I think that's all the motivation you need.

01:25:51.712 --> 01:25:55.334
They got screwed out of it a couple years ago in that COVID-canceled game against UCLA.

01:25:55.894 --> 01:25:59.476
So I think they're going to come out with a little bit of motivation to get that 10-win season.

01:26:00.479 --> 01:26:01.060
All righty.

01:26:01.120 --> 01:26:04.102
Again, we are all on the same page here.

01:26:04.782 --> 01:26:08.845
Next, we are going to Jacksonville and the Gator Bowl.

01:26:09.546 --> 01:26:11.787
Clemson and Kentucky.

01:26:11.907 --> 01:26:13.489
Tally, you picked this one.

01:26:13.909 --> 01:26:19.333
Sheldon, who you got for Tally, get to seeing why he wanted to watch this game so bad on Friday the 29th at high noon.

01:26:20.785 --> 01:26:22.805
Clemson's been playing really good football as of late.

01:26:22.845 --> 01:26:25.286
I think they've started to really come around.

01:26:25.366 --> 01:26:27.066
So I'm going to take Clemson.

01:26:27.126 --> 01:26:33.928
I think Dabo's going to go into this offseason with a little bit of momentum and kind of shut down those critics early in the season.

01:26:35.788 --> 01:26:37.789
Yeah, I'm going to go Clemson on this too.

01:26:37.809 --> 01:26:44.630
Kind of like Sheldon said, man, I think Clemson, people kind of wrote them off for dead.

01:26:44.690 --> 01:26:46.310
I think Clemson still has a good program.

01:26:46.791 --> 01:26:48.731
So I think they have enough to win this game.

01:26:49.980 --> 01:26:52.021
Yeah, I'm with y'all on this one too.

01:26:52.081 --> 01:26:52.782
Give me Clemson.

01:26:53.602 --> 01:26:56.724
Even though I'm sure they have quite a few opt-outs and everything.

01:26:56.964 --> 01:27:02.768
I want to see how Kentucky handles because Stoops wasn't supposed to be there right now.

01:27:05.070 --> 01:27:05.970
Stoops wasn't supposed to be there.

01:27:05.990 --> 01:27:10.073
He was supposed to be down at Texas A&M getting his $20 million a year contract.

01:27:10.693 --> 01:27:11.674
So give me Clemson.

01:27:13.154 --> 01:27:15.356
Yep, I'm riding with the Tigers as well.

01:27:16.958 --> 01:27:23.464
I think it's going to be a tight one, but I think, as Shelton said, I feel like the Clemson team kind of gelled at the right time of the season.

01:27:23.484 --> 01:27:25.967
They're playing some pretty good football now.

01:27:25.987 --> 01:27:34.595
I think they still have some problems from a roster management perspective that they still need to address, but...

01:27:35.316 --> 01:27:44.465
I think they've kind of weathered some of the storm of losing, you know, their two coordinators and kind of having a down year in terms of the talent cycle.

01:27:44.805 --> 01:27:45.927
So give me Clemson here.

01:27:46.687 --> 01:27:47.508
All righty, Clemson there.

01:27:47.628 --> 01:27:50.071
All right, let's pop the next one up.

01:27:50.191 --> 01:27:53.254
Let's go down to El Paso and the Sun Bowl.

01:27:54.075 --> 01:27:55.476
I know this is one of Sheldon's picks.

01:27:55.536 --> 01:27:58.279
We'll get to you why you like it so much, Sheldon, but let's roll through it.

01:27:58.379 --> 01:27:59.420
Brian, what do you got?

01:28:01.035 --> 01:28:02.396
Yeah, I'm thinking Notre Dame here.

01:28:02.676 --> 01:28:09.358
I feel like the last two remaining Pac-12 teams are kind of getting picked apart and left for scraps now.

01:28:09.398 --> 01:28:11.359
I just think Notre Dame is going to have more in the tank there.

01:28:13.560 --> 01:28:27.545
Yeah, with the departure of Jonathan Smith and all the turmoil and DJ in the portal, even though Hartman is not going to play, Notre Dame obviously to a point more talented carries the day.

01:28:32.042 --> 01:28:32.282
Tally?

01:28:33.322 --> 01:28:33.883
Notre Dame.

01:28:33.943 --> 01:28:35.183
I got to go with Notre Dame on this.

01:28:35.223 --> 01:28:39.485
Just two different trajectories for two different programs right now.

01:28:39.645 --> 01:28:40.425
Got to go with Notre Dame.

01:28:40.445 --> 01:28:41.825
Absolutely.

01:28:42.065 --> 01:28:43.826
And, Sheldon, this was one of your picks.

01:28:44.906 --> 01:28:48.948
I thought it was a good top 25 matchup of teams that you don't really see play each other a lot.

01:28:49.988 --> 01:28:55.370
I think Freeman's done a really good job at Notre Dame, and I like the Fighting Irish in this one.

01:28:55.410 --> 01:28:59.551
I think even though both teams don't have their starting quarterback, I just like Notre Dame's roster better.

01:28:59.752 --> 01:29:01.092
So give me Notre Dame.

01:29:01.886 --> 01:29:02.566
All righty.

01:29:04.307 --> 01:29:08.148
Now we go start with some of the bigger ones here.

01:29:08.168 --> 01:29:11.288
We got the Cotton Bowl, Mizzou, Ohio State.

01:29:11.328 --> 01:29:13.949
Brian, I know this one was yours, so we'll let you wrap it up at the end.

01:29:13.989 --> 01:29:16.090
But, Sheldon, who you got here?

01:29:17.090 --> 01:29:19.430
Yeah, this one's tough because it's sort of like the motivation thing.

01:29:19.470 --> 01:29:23.011
Like, is Ohio State motivated to play this game because they didn't make the playoff?

01:29:23.391 --> 01:29:24.232
I think they are, personally.

01:29:24.252 --> 01:29:25.512
I think Rondae's a great head coach.

01:29:25.552 --> 01:29:30.013
So, they're obviously – this is a game where the recruiting rankings, I think, will win out.

01:29:31.806 --> 01:29:32.106
Tally?

01:29:33.008 --> 01:29:40.157
Yeah, I'm going to go Ohio State on this one just because I trust the coach a little bit more than Mizzou's coach.

01:29:40.617 --> 01:29:43.801
I know their quarterback's already gone from Ohio State.

01:29:43.841 --> 01:29:48.367
Kind of like Sheldon said, though, I think the recruiting rankings just kind of win this game for them.

01:29:50.757 --> 01:29:53.079
I would say that as well, but I'm not.

01:29:53.860 --> 01:29:59.385
Because I saw Mizzou hang with the recruiting rankings in Georgia where it probably shouldn't have been that close.

01:30:00.106 --> 01:30:05.691
And I think losing Kyle McCord because, effectively, I don't think Harrison's playing.

01:30:05.711 --> 01:30:06.452
You don't have McCord.

01:30:06.472 --> 01:30:10.235
Yes, they have more talent, but that talent ain't played together all year.

01:30:10.475 --> 01:30:12.457
And I don't think 14 bowl practice is enough.

01:30:12.818 --> 01:30:15.000
I do think this will probably be an entertaining game.

01:30:15.820 --> 01:30:16.401
But give me Mizzou.

01:30:20.146 --> 01:30:20.587
All right.

01:30:21.208 --> 01:30:25.213
Curtis, you are riding solo on this one, man.

01:30:26.034 --> 01:30:29.379
I think Mizzou punched way above their weight class all year.

01:30:29.399 --> 01:30:35.047
I think this is going to be a fallback to earth for them, even with McCord not playing in this game.

01:30:35.067 --> 01:30:36.549
I just think the talent's going to will out here.

01:30:38.016 --> 01:30:38.456
All righty.

01:30:38.556 --> 01:30:39.437
So look at that.

01:30:39.597 --> 01:30:42.198
There's only three differences on the whole board.

01:30:43.719 --> 01:30:47.320
And we started it at the top of the show, and we're going to end it here tonight.

01:30:47.340 --> 01:30:49.482
We start with the CFP.

01:30:50.462 --> 01:30:56.945
We've got New Year's Day, 5 o'clock kick at the Rose Bowl, Alabama and Michigan.

01:30:57.025 --> 01:31:01.027
First of all, the best – and they'll show the shot.

01:31:01.967 --> 01:31:04.829
The reason I want Tech to make that game one time –

01:31:05.854 --> 01:31:08.115
is to get there in the stands and see the shot.

01:31:08.135 --> 01:31:12.137
The sun's cresting over the hills in the Rose Bowl.

01:31:12.177 --> 01:31:13.358
They always get that shot.

01:31:13.498 --> 01:31:14.198
It's twilight.

01:31:14.258 --> 01:31:14.879
It's perfect.

01:31:15.719 --> 01:31:20.682
And I don't know.

01:31:21.322 --> 01:31:24.324
We've talked about it in the past about making New Year's Day relevant again.

01:31:25.224 --> 01:31:30.667
When the Rose Bowl and the Sugar Bowl are the playoff games, it makes New Year's Day feel right.

01:31:31.874 --> 01:31:35.915
Not a knock to the other ones when it's on, like, you know, that Saturday or New Year's Eve.

01:31:35.975 --> 01:31:41.937
But when it's on New Year's Day and it's these two games, it's nostalgia and it takes me back to when I was a kid.

01:31:42.017 --> 01:31:43.058
But now we got to pick them.

01:31:43.138 --> 01:31:45.178
And I do think there's going to be some disagreements here.

01:31:45.658 --> 01:31:47.399
Mr. Sigler, you shall lead, sir.

01:31:50.536 --> 01:31:51.557
I'm going Michigan here.

01:31:52.558 --> 01:31:56.961
Some of this is probably the fuck Bama for making this thing mindset.

01:31:58.182 --> 01:32:00.703
That's probably playing a little bit.

01:32:01.044 --> 01:32:06.067
ESPN can't admit their SEC bias, but I will admit my current bias against Alabama here.

01:32:07.748 --> 01:32:08.669
I'll take Michigan.

01:32:08.729 --> 01:32:10.730
I think the defense is going to be the difference.

01:32:11.271 --> 01:32:13.252
I think the running back is going to be the difference.

01:32:15.073 --> 01:32:17.335
I think that Alabama is just not going to have enough juice at the end.

01:32:19.540 --> 01:32:21.381
And I'm kind of with you on that.

01:32:21.481 --> 01:32:23.982
A, I'm in the fuck Bama mode as well right now.

01:32:24.462 --> 01:32:29.864
But I'm also in that thing of Bama's offense has hit struggles at times this year, right?

01:32:30.184 --> 01:32:31.324
We've watched them all.

01:32:31.384 --> 01:32:36.726
That USF game, and I know they were trying to back up and like, that's USF.

01:32:36.846 --> 01:32:37.806
That's not a good team.

01:32:38.967 --> 01:32:39.927
That's not a good team.

01:32:40.647 --> 01:32:44.409
They struggle with other teams as well throughout the year defensively.

01:32:44.889 --> 01:32:46.710
I think it's a low scoring game.

01:32:46.730 --> 01:32:47.570
And when I say that,

01:32:49.553 --> 01:32:51.714
27-20 Michigan.

01:32:53.275 --> 01:32:55.216
We know who you're picking because you can't get in trouble down there.

01:32:56.177 --> 01:33:00.979
Well, you know, everybody's in the fuck Bama mode, but Bama's also in the fuck y'all mode.

01:33:02.100 --> 01:33:06.162
Nick Saban's already told everybody that, and they're going to go win.

01:33:06.202 --> 01:33:11.845
They're already talking about, they talked about early in the season how Jalen Milrow wasn't ready.

01:33:11.885 --> 01:33:12.525
He wasn't the guy.

01:33:12.545 --> 01:33:15.527
Now they're talking about him being a Heisman front runner next year.

01:33:16.167 --> 01:33:18.027
And they're going to start this in the playoffs.

01:33:18.127 --> 01:33:19.368
They're going to go beat Michigan.

01:33:20.328 --> 01:33:21.388
I don't know if they win it all.

01:33:21.628 --> 01:33:23.328
I said they win it all, joking around.

01:33:24.108 --> 01:33:26.229
But I do think Alabama is going to beat Michigan.

01:33:27.369 --> 01:33:27.949
All righty.

01:33:28.669 --> 01:33:29.529
Sheldon, where are you at?

01:33:30.870 --> 01:33:33.190
I said a few weeks ago that Michigan is the best in the country.

01:33:33.690 --> 01:33:37.751
Some people on this podcast disagreed, but I stand by that comment.

01:33:37.891 --> 01:33:40.531
I think they're going to run all over Bama.

01:33:40.651 --> 01:33:42.092
So give me Michigan by a tutty.

01:33:42.932 --> 01:33:43.532
By a tutty.

01:33:43.752 --> 01:33:44.212
All righty.

01:33:44.847 --> 01:33:48.368
So, tally riding solo really because he don't want to get in trouble down there.

01:33:48.388 --> 01:33:51.349
I don't want him to blow my house up.

01:33:51.369 --> 01:33:52.570
He will show up at my house.

01:33:52.910 --> 01:33:53.910
I do not want that.

01:33:54.010 --> 01:33:54.691
I think that.

01:33:54.791 --> 01:33:56.811
All right, let's go to the nighttime.

01:33:56.911 --> 01:33:58.872
New Orleans, Bourbon Street.

01:33:59.212 --> 01:33:59.793
Oh, man.

01:33:59.833 --> 01:34:00.813
Texas, Washington.

01:34:00.913 --> 01:34:03.254
I think this will be the more entertaining of the games.

01:34:04.014 --> 01:34:06.035
You want old school football, go to Rose Bowl.

01:34:06.195 --> 01:34:08.356
This is going to be more of the entertaining of the games.

01:34:08.776 --> 01:34:11.057
Sugar Bowl, undefeated Washington.

01:34:11.697 --> 01:34:13.237
Texas with one loss.

01:34:13.778 --> 01:34:14.478
Sheldon, who you got?

01:34:15.973 --> 01:34:22.597
So I'm going Washington on a hunch, even though I think Texas has a better roster and more star power.

01:34:22.617 --> 01:34:24.618
I just, I don't know.

01:34:24.678 --> 01:34:32.203
I just, I really like Washington's coach, Kalen DeBoer, and I think they're going to pull out a close one by the hair of their chin, but they will get crushed in the national title game regardless.

01:34:35.327 --> 01:34:37.289
What about you, Tally?

01:34:37.589 --> 01:34:39.130
I kind of agree with Shelton on that.

01:34:39.190 --> 01:34:40.311
You know, I'm going to Washington.

01:34:40.731 --> 01:34:44.795
Every time I've picked against them this year, they've done something crazy to win a game.

01:34:45.255 --> 01:34:50.860
But one of my best friends is a Texas fan, and he's going to the game, so I asked him about it a little bit.

01:34:51.903 --> 01:34:59.245
And he said their quarterback's struggling because that shoulder injury has prevented him from pushing the ball down the field a lot.

01:35:00.025 --> 01:35:01.886
And I think they've got somebody else hurt.

01:35:01.946 --> 01:35:04.647
Brooks, I think, is hurt as well or injured.

01:35:04.667 --> 01:35:06.987
So they've got a couple of people that's banged up.

01:35:07.047 --> 01:35:09.528
Hopefully they can get back and be ready for the game.

01:35:09.568 --> 01:35:12.789
But I just took Washington because of the talk that me and him had.

01:35:13.943 --> 01:35:14.504
All righty.

01:35:15.185 --> 01:35:16.666
And I'm actually with y'all on that.

01:35:16.687 --> 01:35:18.228
I'm taking Washington as well.

01:35:18.629 --> 01:35:24.896
I probably watch more Washington games than maybe any other this year because I watched the Pac-12.

01:35:25.017 --> 01:35:26.438
I watched the original Oregon game.

01:35:26.458 --> 01:35:27.580
I watched some of the Apple Cup.

01:35:27.600 --> 01:35:29.302
I've watched a lot of their games.

01:35:29.942 --> 01:35:32.625
And the one thing they ain't afraid to do is they push that ball down.

01:35:33.125 --> 01:35:36.248
And a lot of people are saying, well, Texas's line is going to stop the running.

01:35:36.528 --> 01:35:37.709
They ain't going to try to run the ball.

01:35:38.489 --> 01:35:41.452
They're going to say we're going to air it out like we've been doing all year.

01:35:42.152 --> 01:35:44.534
And Pennix can put it on a dime.

01:35:45.215 --> 01:35:45.936
I think they win.

01:35:45.976 --> 01:35:47.537
I think it's a high score and a fair.

01:35:48.458 --> 01:35:55.824
I don't think they get crushed in a national championship game, but I think they compete, but eventually talent wins.

01:35:59.531 --> 01:36:01.672
I'm the only one riding with Texas, man.

01:36:02.792 --> 01:36:03.152
Hook them.

01:36:04.932 --> 01:36:08.193
I think that Texas is the more well-rounded team.

01:36:08.253 --> 01:36:15.914
I feel like Washington is a little too one-dimensional, and I think against this caliber of opponent, it's going to be tough to overcome that.

01:36:16.854 --> 01:36:22.815
I will say, out of the four teams that's in the playoffs, I would love to see Texas win it over anybody else.

01:36:24.896 --> 01:36:25.616
I'm against you on that.

01:36:25.816 --> 01:36:26.876
I'd like to see Washington win it.

01:36:29.110 --> 01:36:29.410
I would.

01:36:30.210 --> 01:36:41.273
Washington would give you hope because if Washington wins it, there's hope for every, there's hope for every team in the top 50 that you can win a national championship.

01:36:41.673 --> 01:36:43.974
Curtis, I'm ABB, but I'm not making transformers.

01:36:44.074 --> 01:36:44.974
Anybody but Bama.

01:36:45.734 --> 01:36:46.114
Anybody.

01:36:46.294 --> 01:36:49.695
They can already win them.

01:36:49.715 --> 01:36:50.815
All right.

01:36:50.995 --> 01:36:54.156
Anything breaking in the last, by the way,

01:36:55.336 --> 01:36:59.579
Just so y'all, the Washington pick, y'all know Kalen DeBoer's total overall record?

01:36:59.599 --> 01:37:02.942
He's been a head coach for 16, 17, 18 seasons now.

01:37:03.503 --> 01:37:04.643
Yes, I do know it, actually.

01:37:04.663 --> 01:37:06.285
Y'all know it?

01:37:07.165 --> 01:37:10.228
I know it now.

01:37:10.248 --> 01:37:10.688
103-11.

01:37:10.848 --> 01:37:13.290
That's crazy.

01:37:14.511 --> 01:37:15.832
That man wins at every level.

01:37:15.852 --> 01:37:17.314
All right, anything breaking?

01:37:17.374 --> 01:37:22.978
Brian, Tally, gentlemen, anything popped up on Twitter while we have sat here for an hour and 37 minutes?

01:37:22.998 --> 01:37:23.819
We didn't get to my voice.

01:37:24.306 --> 01:37:25.128
Not that I've seen, man.

01:37:25.168 --> 01:37:25.729
Not that I've seen.

01:37:25.749 --> 01:37:26.511
I haven't seen nothing.

01:37:26.531 --> 01:37:27.313
All right.

01:37:27.774 --> 01:37:31.723
So unfortunately, 10 days from now, Shelton won't be able to join us.

01:37:32.884 --> 01:37:36.306
But 10 days from now, oh, it's always the fun one.

01:37:36.887 --> 01:37:38.128
It's always the fun one.

01:37:38.168 --> 01:37:40.549
The State of the Program episode is coming.

01:37:41.730 --> 01:37:45.372
Our wonderful sponsor, Dr. Jeremy Counts, will be joining us.

01:37:46.113 --> 01:37:47.334
Liquor will be flowing.

01:37:47.394 --> 01:37:48.314
Beer will be flowing.

01:37:48.354 --> 01:37:49.995
We will be having a good time.

01:37:50.676 --> 01:37:53.978
We might be opening up to some outsourcing.

01:37:54.098 --> 01:37:57.340
So keep your DMs open.

01:37:57.360 --> 01:37:58.881
There you go.

01:37:59.082 --> 01:37:59.942
You know who you are.

01:38:00.062 --> 01:38:02.204
And even if you don't, if you're a listener,

01:38:03.204 --> 01:38:04.405
See what pops in your inbox.

01:38:04.945 --> 01:38:05.245
There you go.

01:38:05.285 --> 01:38:05.926
Maybe something fun.

01:38:06.706 --> 01:38:08.047
Keep your DMs open.

01:38:08.687 --> 01:38:10.007
We may be bringing people on.

01:38:10.068 --> 01:38:11.848
We can't bring everybody on this once.

01:38:12.709 --> 01:38:18.812
Our software only has so much capacity, but the stated program will be December 22nd.

01:38:18.852 --> 01:38:25.195
We are doing it on a Friday because I ain't trying to do anything on the weekend after I've had more than a few cocktails.

01:38:25.956 --> 01:38:27.558
I will preface this, everyone.

01:38:27.638 --> 01:38:33.908
Last year, if you watched, you saw me consume an entire bottle of Devin Williams White Label in three hours.

01:38:34.229 --> 01:38:36.012
I will not be doing that again.

01:38:36.032 --> 01:38:40.479
I will be very intoxicated, but I will not get

01:38:41.915 --> 01:38:46.698
We won't let the gauge go past the midpoint, if you get what I'm saying.

01:38:46.718 --> 01:38:47.799
The gauge is going to pass.

01:38:48.279 --> 01:38:48.699
It is.

01:38:48.980 --> 01:38:51.501
We're going to make sure you're feeling good.

01:38:51.521 --> 01:38:52.942
We may play a shots game.

01:38:57.805 --> 01:38:58.085
Yep.

01:38:58.846 --> 01:38:59.026
Yep.

01:38:59.066 --> 01:38:59.687
Mr. Drones.

01:38:59.787 --> 01:39:01.069
It's going to be a lot of fun.

01:39:01.089 --> 01:39:03.631
Robbie, you know, you always invite, we'll get you the link.

01:39:03.672 --> 01:39:05.053
You might be.

01:39:05.073 --> 01:39:05.634
Mr. Drones.

01:39:05.654 --> 01:39:06.815
We might have to get you on here.

01:39:07.195 --> 01:39:12.842
Might have to, but anyways, y'all want to just say, um, this has been a fun season with everybody here.

01:39:13.042 --> 01:39:16.606
We got a couple more episodes probably before we wrap up, but, um,

01:39:17.990 --> 01:39:20.411
it has been just a fun season and we're back winning.

01:39:20.612 --> 01:39:21.812
We're back on the right track.

01:39:21.872 --> 01:39:22.673
It feels good.

01:39:23.153 --> 01:39:29.257
And boys, that does wrap up this episode of the boundary corner podcast brought to you by main streets pharmacy in Blacksburg.

01:39:29.717 --> 01:39:30.557
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01:39:31.118 --> 01:39:31.918
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01:39:32.659 --> 01:39:33.299
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