ECON 425: Resource Allocation in the Modern Recruiting Age

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Welcome back to the boundary
Corner podcast.

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My name is Curtis Wilson.
I'm Brian seagull.

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How's it going buddy?
How's everybody doing?

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Good man.
How are you man?

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I can't complain to still been
some of working out the back of

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the patio most of the weeks my
back's not feeling the greatest

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but it's it is what it is at
this point.

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Got to get it done mr.
Bob Vila over here Current he is

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in putting some additional patio
areas and now you're going with

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the purrgil.
Oh, is that what you said in the

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text?
There are, yes, yes, I got a

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Pergola.
Put in over the fire pit.

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I got covering over where I've
got all my my smokers and grills

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and stuff.
And then we've got another,

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another area that I'm digging
out and putting some some, some

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people down and got a Little
Cantilever Umbrella.

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We got going over that section,
so it's going to be going to be

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pretty hooked up area back
there, trying to do, more

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outdoor entertaining and just in
general staying outside more.

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So taking advantage of this time
that I've got here, where I can

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roll right from from work into
doing yard work, which I

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normally I've got about a 45
minute to an hour Excursion from

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from work to home.
So just try to take advantage of

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that time.
Man, how's things going your

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way?
I'm good.

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I'm thinking potentially in July
when it gets even deader than

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right now, maybe Brian's
backyard secrets to doing it

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yourself, you know?
Yeah, yeah.

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Doing well man, as you as I told
you a couple weeks ago, I can't

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remember.
I mentioned it on the Pod but we

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got a new fence installed in the
backyard, which has been great

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for the dog.
Been great for the boys.

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Yeah, slowly rearranging and he
I don't know.

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You posted some Stuff on
Facebook with your patio.

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Didn't you a couple things?
Yeah couple of things out there.

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Yeah.
Huh.

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So my wife couple days ago kind
of system, I wonder if we can

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like dig out a little place
around here and put some Stones

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baby around a star neighbor,
who's a landscape designer and

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like have him look at it.
I'm like, wait a second.

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I'm starting to put two and two
together.

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Did Brian's post?
Come across her like Ryan's

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doing but we're doing great man.
Just Burgers tonight tried to

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see the flyover but it was a
little too far south west for

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us.
We can we heard it like a second

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and my wife's like that's it, I
think and we didn't see it but

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saw some videos, some folks of
the neighborhood went down to

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st.
Mary's hospital and saw it.

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That was pretty cool.
Okay.

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Yeah, my father-in-law had text
me about it earlier and he's

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like, yeah, you got to check
this out, like, I will try to

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but it just, I don't think, you
know, being over here, east side

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of Richmond.
It just wasn't quite Quite

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enough for us but next time next
time.

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Yeah things aren't as crazy.
We can you know get in the car

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and drive somewhere and see it.
Pretty cool event.

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Again seeing the video was
pretty cool too man.

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Yeah.
All right folks we got a few

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things we're going to go over
today you know but we got to

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start and fortunately with the
bad news you know it happened

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about I guess was a week ago
now, maybe a little less than a

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week ago just under a week ago.
Yeah.

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The other Matrix Davis, D
commits from Virginia Tech.

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You know, number one, duel
threat in the country are

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hydrated, recruited the point in
time, little legitimate study

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the video, shows it all this
highlights.

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And, you know, the tea leaves
kind of were there a little bit

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beforehand with the removal of
the stuff on his Twitter

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account, which, you know, Some
people were like, screaming

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alarm Bells, like that.
And some people like me and you

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were kind of more like, he's 17
year old kid.

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Yeah. 17.
There were no explanation for

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but, you know, it definitely
hurts now he, you know, Brian

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you read it as I did, he did
say, you know, he he still plans

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on, you know, taking his
official at the Penn State game,

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likely coming down, maybe even a
few times more on unofficial

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visits.
So we're not out of the running.

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A anytime there's a d commit
like this, it just it hurts your

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soul because you see what he
does, you know what we do?

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And it's just like, it's like,
it's the glove.

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It's like, there would be no,
sort of learning curve.

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Yeah, and that's the big thing.
I think he could really Thrive

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under what went and cornelison
are trying to do with the

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offense.
So, it hurts from that

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perspective, the bigger
perspective to me is that it

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hurts us perception-wise.
I was at a point in time where

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we're trying to shape group
perception in a more positive

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light and it deals with another
another one of those blows to,

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you know, credibility from a
recruiting perspective and

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things like that.
So I think in that perspective,

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it hurts us more.
I mean, I think on the field, I

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mean, he might have ended up
after after a redshirt year

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taking over the starting role
but in terms of us having

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quarterbacks ready to play,
We're kind of set through 23

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unless he was going to be
stepping up sooner.

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So, you know, there's not an
immediate void created by his

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deep commitment but at the same
time, you wanted someone of that

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caliber in the boat side and and
ready to sit behind whoever it

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is for however, long until he's
ready to go.

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So that hurts and like I said,
the biggest place, Swear it

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hurts.
It hurts with those you know the

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national columns, the regional
columns.

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Yep.
Hurts with word of mouth with

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other recruits or with other
pipelines.

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We could be developing and in,
especially hurts, you know, in

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Texas where we were even trying
to build a pipeline and some of

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that was, you know, tied I think
to DDM in some ways and more or

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less in other ways, but it's
going to be interesting to see

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if he doesn't.
I'm taking the official.

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So with Penn State depending on
obviously how 2020 looks as a

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season we're having positive
thoughts on.

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Yes yes I'm just trying to
trying to qualify here so we

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don't look on our face later but
it does take that official.

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I feel a little bit better about
it.

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I mean I feel like as of right
now probably Auburn has the

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Upper hand in terms of
potentially Landing him.

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I think we're kind of number
two, definitely want to get him

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on campus in order to feel
better about that.

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And then I think Miami is going
to be a one of the team's that's

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going to make a push there as
well.

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Yeah, I'm going to say just just
a few things.

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First of all, there's got to be
some stuff going on behind the

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scenes in his life.
Because if you see just a few

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weeks before, all this went down
mean this, This was a gung-ho

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kid, guys.
Getting offers he was tweeting

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Adam.
You you know, we put highlight

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package videos up, you know,
laying he was tweeting and

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retweeting and saying things, he
was encouraging players to

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commit, join it.
And then all of a sudden, the

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light happens look like swish.
Boom.

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And he D commits.
We can only speculate what's

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going on.
He is 17 and you can imagine a

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player of his caliber how much
pressure there.

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Is not only, you know, other
schools knocking, down your

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door, But family friends,
everything.

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Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna go
back.

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I don't know if you ever talk
with our buddy hambone about

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Kentavious Street.
Other than how much of a

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complete study was in high
school.

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I didn't hear a whole lot of
talk about him, but I mean I'm

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sure you know what know more
about his commitment.

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In terms of what happens if you
stay I'll be share a little

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something with me and it was
legitimately I mean Kentavious

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was a top under player but
tavius is kind of where

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Demetrius was as defensive ends.
He was one of the best offers

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all over the country and he
said, legitimately he would wake

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up at 6:30 and his phone will
not stop all day, text text,

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text text messages message and
you just kind of sit there and

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think let's get 17.
He's going to high school in

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Didi's case, they're having a
sit at home all day.

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At least you go to high school.
You can just say Mom I'll be

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back in six hours for it.
Yeah yeah you get a reprieve

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from exactly constant
bombardment of information and

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people tell accurate.
Yeah I can't imagine the the

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pressure that's on a lot of
these kids.

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I mean obviously I've never
experienced anything like that.

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Personally, in terms of programs
of that caliber, no you trying

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to get me in the door or
anything like that.

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So I can't imagine what that's
like and obviously you know

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there's other pressures that
come along with that of the

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expectations of being a
high-caliber football player.

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You know, there's there's other
things that come along with that

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as well.
So I'm feeling about, you know,

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what the staff could have done
could not have done in terms of

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staving some of this off.
Um, I don't think we know, I

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mean, you know, a it's the Dead
period.

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So it's only so much they can
do.

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Be, people are kind of asking,
you know, where they completely

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dependent on him, putting all
the pressure on them, we don't

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know.
I mean, we can assume like with

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most recruits, you ask them,
hey, you know, we'd love for you

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to be out there encouraging guys
to come here.

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So we don't know how much
pressure was put on him by the

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staff.
And again, that's behind.

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The doors, you know, if things
were not privy to and it's it's

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one of those things where you
can say we shouldn't let these

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guys go out and recruit like
they're really anybody that says

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that on Twitter or just trying
to be, you know, I'm going to be

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the exact opposite.
Like, ya know, if a kid commits

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you're saying you want to go to
university.

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Yeah, we want you out there, you
know, putting our name out,

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putting positive comments behind
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I mean, I have a question if
somebody commits tomorrow.

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And they go radio silent about
Virginia Tech for a month.

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How would you feel at the
beginning of July, June about

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their commitment?
Would it be like oh yeah they're

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all in or is it like he's not
tweeting it, coaches, he's not

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doing anything from the football
or bow Davidson or any of our

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other like - the non-football
non Tech related accounts but

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talk about decks football we
rewrite.

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What is the choice now where if
you're not, if you go Radio

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silence in this information age.
I mean you just you don't people

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don't know what to think
anymore.

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Especially from a fan base
perspective or obviously the

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coaches probably are going to
have more day-to-day and

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week-to-week contact with these
guys via text or email or

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whatever, maybe.
But from a fan perspective, if

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you don't see it out in the
twittersphere, you all of a

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sudden get cold freezing in
like, there's problems, but I

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mean, from a staff perspective,
I think we could have done

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better.
Here house is the biggest one.

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So, my biggest one is The the
problems we've had with momentum

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in terms of our recruiting and
it started with DD verbally

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committing and then it being
three and a half months before

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we get anybody else in the boat,
that's pretty big.

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That's a big problem because
you've got to recruit of that

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caliber and then you're not
seeing some sort of, you can see

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the coattails that you would
normally expect from that.

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And I think the staff didn't do
a great job of capitalizing on

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that.
I think some of that had to do

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with.
With the staff.

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Turnover.
True happening right after that

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verbal commitment.
So there was some flux in terms

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of what the staff is going to
look like, especially when we

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were primarily recruiting
defensive players.

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I think with this cycle defense
is going to be defensive wide

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receiver.
Going to be probably the two

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biggest.
Yeah.

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Things that were looking at for
this 21 cycle.

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Hold on a second though.
I'm gonna miss ya point.

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I'm gonna pay the ferryman to
you.

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He committed in December at that
point in time we were We did not

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have Alec Bryant did not have
Robert wooten's and over the

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next course of the next six
weeks is we got them on and we

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can say you know it sucks we
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at that point in time those two
guys were the biggest recruits

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we have on the board to go get
and in people can say was three

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and a half months and it's like
yeah but what happens if we

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don't land Alec Brown, we don't
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It's true.
Do you take your focus off those

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two guys who you're already in
love with them because from a

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defensive you already look at
their body types and say these

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guys can come in play and that's
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That's okay.
You don't have to be Brian, I

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think is a year one contributor
wound.

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I mean he's got potential to be
that if you comes in and has

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enough time in Camp, obviously
that's influx now as well.

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of, I think that's another spot
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But like I said, I still look at
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Minimum, another part of the
momentum that we're talking

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about is after we had that good
run in the back half of March.

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Yeah, not capitalizing in April,
during a dead period where These

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players are sitting at home and
doing nothing, you know, once

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you get some radio silence out
there and you okay, so you got a

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three and a half month run of
not much in terms of 2021

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commitments.
And then you got Bam, Bam, Bam,

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Bam, Bam.
Bam three.

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Right back to back.
And then all of a sudden, radio

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silence and all of a sudden
you've got UNC exploding on the

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scene, you got Tennessee
exploding on the scene, you guys

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UVA doing.
What they do in terms of volume

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that they've gotten in the last
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And you see us kind of hit a
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Yep.
So I think that probably played

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some of the role as well.
I mean, I don't know to what

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degree.
This is all playing a role but I

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definitely think it played
something of a role because, you

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know, he, he keeps seeing early
on he was like all right.

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Yeah I'm ready to see you guys
commit to Virginia Tech in the

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end it I'm like you just you
know, every time he said it it

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seemed like just a little bit
less, a little bit less, as

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April went on and on and all of
a sudden you get radio silence

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says last two weeks.
Yeah, let me ask this.

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Do you think we're going to see
any more collateral damage from

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this?
So I think the I think the only

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big name could potentially be
the trial Neville backing off

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his commitment, you know?
Just because of how closely

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aligned he was with playing with
DD in terms of his early

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commitment and the fact that he
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So I think that's going to play
a role as well.

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I think if you if you was a guy
we do Eddie got an on campus.

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I feel a little bit more solid
about it, but since he hasn't

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been on campus, it's hard to
tell what those first official

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visits.
He takes after the dead periods

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over going to look like and how
much that's going to impact him.

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I think we did a good thing in
terms of getting out there and

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offering tyrol Raby, absences
cousin.

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I think that's a good thing
because that shows that we're,

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you know, we're making those
moves in somebody that's also in

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his inner circle.
So yeah, that's Big time.

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But the question is is that you
know where does DD end up going?

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And where ever he goes, is this
Latrell Neville have a offer

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that's committable from that
University and if he does that

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puts us in a lot worse position.
So it's going to be really

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strong to go after Tyler.
I mean, he's the number one

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corner in Louisiana, he's
fitting that new mold 62, I

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think 175 180 and he is that guy
who's a high three, who's on the

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borderline of the for like this?
I think most people are feeling

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that if if, if we get some camps
this summer, we get to see him

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some tape in the fall, he's
going to be a 4 star before

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signing day.
I think that was a very smart

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move, so it again, it's getting
connections with Neville where

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it's life.
I've already got my offer here

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now, Tyler can play Here and Now
DD goes elsewhere.

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Well now he's at a conundrum
right.

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What a DD get somewhere and they
offer Nevel but they don't offer

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Tyler.
Yeah so it's one of those things

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where With him he could be that
torn thing and does.

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Maybe maybe Neville comes back
and says Dee Dee you know you

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love the place.
You've been there, you were all

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about it, some change, I don't
know what their hands up but

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that's my cousin, that's blood.
Yeah, and I mean some of this

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could be just the fact that, you
know, he committed early and he

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was super, he was in the boat
but he's trying to get people to

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sign on and he sees everybody
else.

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Kind of getting all this, you
know, Star Treatment.

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And I mean, once you're in the
boat yet, you still get that.

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You get that love.
But I think, you know, you don't

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have you don't have multiple fan
bases fawning over you.

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Like you, like you do when
you're still still uncommitted

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there so that you have been
something to it.

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Obviously, these are 17 18 year
olds.

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It's really hard to say, what's
going through their minds In

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terms of 100% making those
choices.

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But, I mean, this is Virginia
Tech recruiting, this is nothing

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new.
It's not and I know, you know,

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me and you were kind of talking
about them things we could talk

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about.
I mean, this isn't like

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something that where we were top
10 Juggernaut to 10 years and

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recruiting and then it fell off.
I mean, you know, I went back

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and looked up the last really
since 2004 since when join the

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ACC Cycles.
I mean, you're ready for the

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numbers.
I mean the growing down

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everybody.
So starting in 2004 recruiting

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class and going down, 04:34 05
2006, 3107 2608 1809 25 2010,

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28, 2011, 35, 2012, 21, 2013,
21, 2014, 28, 2015, 29, The

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transition, your 1642 1726 1824,
1926 and 2020.

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The miserable 74.
Brian.

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Did we crack the top 15 in the
last?

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Since we joined the ACC?
We have not now that doesn't

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correlate with what most people
see.

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And again it's it might I think
it really might be just a

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problem with the, with tech in
general.

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Because during those years man,
finish Thousand five ending,

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tempt, 06, seventh 07:19, excuse
me.

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So for we into 10th 06 705, 706
1907, 1908 15, and then like 10

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16, you see those numbers?
You would think why are they

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getting top 15 or top or in the
teens consistently?

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And it's one of those things
that I know a lot of people have

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always said, It's our brand,
where blue-collar?

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We found the Diamonds in the
Rough.

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You know it's one of those
things where you know where top

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10 Croom top 10 team
consistently in the 2000s in our

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average was 23 and recruiting
know you know and I mean if this

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particular back to 95 we're
talking about recruiting classes

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averaging.
Probably right around 30.

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Yeah, on the whole maybe 32.
So somewhere between 30 and 35

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is our is our our average
recruiting class in the

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so-called Glory, Glory Days of
the program and they were I mean

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I mean I'll argue anybody that
sort of run where we were

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significantly finishing in the
top 20 every single year in the

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top 10 multiple times in the top
five a couple times and most of

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the time, what you see is
there's bumps, you consistently

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get that good, you know, while
they're going to walk in and

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that, you know, that mid for
Star, who's in No, in South

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Carolina will at that point.
I'm Clinton won't doing that

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good.
South Carolina was nothing to

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brag about George's.
Okay.

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This is pretty good but they go
off and they can get him, didn't

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get him, why not?
So it's again, I read.

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I'll say the word again.
It's a stigma with the program

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of the way we recruit can it
change?

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Yes.
But right now, it's not.

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And, you know, it seems like
it's continuingly lingering even

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after a Again after a younger
head coach and I know his ties

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aren't regionally there.
But a younger head coach.

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A younger staff.
You know what is technique to

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do?
Do you think it's a branding or

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messaging problem or do you
think it's just the attract

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ability of playing at Virginia
Tech isn't isn't glamorous?

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Well, here's the thing, I think
it's I don't think it's a brandy

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because by all means if it was a
true brand.

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Issue.
I think we would have seen those

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first few years under for
Wednesday.

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They wouldn't have been as good.
They would have been more in the

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40 to 50 range where they were
not.

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They were about where Frank was.
I mean honestly if you say well

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he does know how to recruit and
it's like the numbers don't bear

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the difference there.
Guys, you're telling yourself a

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lie about the former staff in
the, in the former way, things

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were done.
So I don't think it's just the

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brain.
I think we are in Blacksburg

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Virginia, which is to me.
The perfect college town, small

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quite good, place to get your
education, everything's

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connected, but that doesn't
float the boat for every

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recruit.
That would be my thought.

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Okay, so, you know, let's let's
take a look at that a little bit

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further, so, Let's let's, I
thought about this and I'm going

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to highlight some inherent
disadvantages.

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That Virginia Tech has relative
to the competition in the ACC.

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Number one, our in-state rival
is centrally located in.

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We are not.
That is 100% true.

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They are within an hour of
Richmond there within two hours

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of Nova, two and a half.
Now, three and a half of the

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beach.
Yeah.

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We are not situated.
Then a smaller large city, like

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the majority of ACC and power 5,
East Coast Schools.

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You're right.
We are thus, I think the

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smallest city I mean we're one
of the smaller Camp because it's

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what 35,000 Blacksburg
population.

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Yeah.
You compare that to somewhere

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like Tuscaloosa, Tuscaloosa is
110,000 people.

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It's triple the size.
Yeah.

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And and with those things come
other amenities that are popular

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amongst college-going age kids.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
I mean, say what you want about

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the small town atmosphere, but
cities offer things for college

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students to do that.
Small towns, can't do and not a

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match.
So 3, we do not even once

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everything that is currently
being built is finished and will

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not have facilities relative to
the Blue Bloods that we want to

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catch and most of them.
We were not even matching some

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of the second tier schools.
We generally think that we're

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better.
Them.

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The Beamer Barn is about the
only thing that we got ahead of

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those second-tier programs on
but we were still several years

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behind Blue Bloods even on that.
Yeah.

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But what's going up now is like
two or three years behind most

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of these second-tier programs
they've had something like that

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or at least partially like that.
Very that's been on campus for

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23 years now.
Absolutely and all the blue

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blood programs have had them for
several years and Florida's

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taking it a step.
Step further with what they're

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building right now.
They're essentially build an

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all-inclusive luxury resort for
18 year old kids.

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Yep.
And for them the final thing is

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that our expectations that holds
us back we expect to compete on

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the field like a top-15 program.
We expect to recruit like a top

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25 programs.
So we're already our

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expectations are higher than
what we can theoretically

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recruit.
But we fund the program like a

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top 50 program.
I can't argue with those think.

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It's absolutely true.
And, you know, I'm going to say

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this and some people might say
it's wrong.

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When Justin Fuente was hired.
I think with Bob cock understood

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this, I think with Babcock knew
he needed a more coach than

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recruiter because even if you
took the best Recruiters in the

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country, line them up.
I think it would be hard for

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even them.
Above table above table.

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Yep.
Say that, again, above table to

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get kids to come.
No Hugh freeze situation here.

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Do you want that as if you
don't, you don't, you don't, you

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don't want that guy, running a
program like that.

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But it's so I think what maybe
fans have got to realize is he

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didn't hire there Cooter.
He hired a guy that you have to

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coach football and people can
jump up and down and say oh he

448
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,700
just did it at Memphis.
Memphis had been good too.

449
00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:27,000
Times in the entire life, love
that program one was DeAngelo.

450
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,900
Williams in the early. 2001 was
like in the 1960s.

451
00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:33,900
And he literally coach that
group of players up, hey, guess

452
00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:35,800
what they did Hugh freeze has
paid off team.

453
00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:38,600
Yep.
Yep.

454
00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:42,600
Um, so, you know maybe that's
what we need to.

455
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,100
Look at that.
We always will need.

456
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,100
Maybe not the prettiest
recruiters but we need guys who

457
00:27:48,100 --> 00:27:52,500
can coach now, you know.
It's kind of argued last year.

458
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,200
And you know numerous times and
we set it again think about it.

459
00:27:58,208 --> 00:27:59,900
They put hinted hooker in game
one.

460
00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:02,200
How well that our team was
coached.

461
00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:07,000
Yeah.
Um we dominated good teams of

462
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,600
times and teams that were at our
level.

463
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,800
You know, we played with deaf.
So I think we got to start

464
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:15,900
looking through a different
lens.

465
00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:18,700
Do I want top 15 recruit?
Yeah, because I think me and you

466
00:28:18,708 --> 00:28:22,200
have said it probably since we
were in our 20s.

467
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,000
If Virginia Tech ever gets a top
10 class, the world's not going

468
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,700
to know what to do.
Because there's going to be

469
00:28:29,708 --> 00:28:32,600
Talent with guys who know how to
coach, you know, how skiing hell

470
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,400
were you just stack three top 15
classes 2020.

471
00:28:36,900 --> 00:28:42,200
I ain't even saying that 2003,
top 20 classes.

472
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:48,600
So yeah, man.
But it's like I'll give I'll

473
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:55,600
give it a shot.
We've had one top 20 class.

474
00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:03,400
Basically since we were 20 11 we
won.

475
00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:07,300
Yep in.
So let me does it beg the

476
00:29:07,300 --> 00:29:13,500
question this?
Do we not do?

477
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:15,300
Does the powers that be in
Blacksburg?

478
00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:20,800
Not a budget to get the program
that literally makes kids and

479
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,300
roll?
And literally, guys, we went to

480
00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:26,700
high school school with that's
why they enrolled there is

481
00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:30,800
because of that program to do
they know how to budget.

482
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:40,000
No, no.
And I don't think this is going

483
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:45,100
to be a shock to anyone
listening, but we haven't made

484
00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:48,700
football a priority from a
financial investment

485
00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:55,300
perspective.
For a very long time and I think

486
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,100
if we want to see in this new
world of college football, if

487
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:04,300
you want to see, substitute
changing especially in terms of

488
00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:07,300
recruiting two, things need to
happen.

489
00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:10,700
A top-down University.
Focus on getting better on the

490
00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:17,000
field by investing and from a
fan and alumni perspective,

491
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:22,100
opening up your wallets.
I mean, those two things have to

492
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:26,400
happen, I'm not saying that good
recruits are going to come just

493
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,500
because the money is rolling in.
But I'll tell you something, it

494
00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:32,200
will certainly get better.
Damn, right?

495
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,500
Because the more, the more you
can get on that recruiting

496
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:38,500
staff, the more you can scout in
advance the more you can focus

497
00:30:38,500 --> 00:30:44,100
your efforts on the guys, the
more you can sell the program in

498
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:45,900
the light that you want to sell
it.

499
00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:50,100
Yep it's going to it's going to
reap some benefits and that on

500
00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:54,800
top, Of that facilities, man.
If the facilities improve that,

501
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:59,200
that people talk about, you
know, winning games is going to

502
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,000
solve problems.
It solves some of the problems,

503
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,000
but it doesn't solve all the
problems, because the perception

504
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,000
is that The school with the
shiny new object is better

505
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,500
especially if they're winning
the same amount of games.

506
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:16,300
If we were out there winning
national championships every

507
00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:20,500
year, you might say okay well
maybe not but we're not we're

508
00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:24,900
out there winning eight to ten
games every year and if if a kid

509
00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:28,700
can win eight to ten games in
Blacksburg or went eight to ten

510
00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:32,500
games in Gainesville with their
damn pool and Cabana outside

511
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:36,100
their indoor facility, we're
just getting going.

512
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:42,700
Gainesville and you make the
point of it Bryant and you shot

513
00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:46,100
me this earlier today.
And it's in then I didn't did

514
00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:48,500
math which I don't know why I'm
doing math.

515
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:54,400
What Math is Fun - fun but you
shot me of thing the day and

516
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,400
basically you said this and some
angry emojis behind it.

517
00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:04,300
The football The total football
budget is 68% of the athletic

518
00:32:04,300 --> 00:32:08,700
budget, Virginia, Tech 68%.
That's first of all, that's

519
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:11,800
probably like most programs, but
on a question over on because I

520
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,400
did the math, okay?
Football only gets fifty three

521
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,500
percent of that 50.
They get a little over half of

522
00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:22,500
the pie that they're bringing
in, that's bullshit, the that's

523
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:25,200
bullshit.
If anything, they should at

524
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,300
least be getting 65%, that's my
opinion.

525
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,900
They should at least be getting
sixty five percent of what they

526
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:36,200
bring in in.
Somebody's like, well, you know,

527
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,000
there's only like two or three
million bucks.

528
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,000
You know what you can do with
two or three million dollars,

529
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,200
you can put an extra ten guys on
the recruiting staff to be

530
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,800
scouting, the Is he making the
contacts?

531
00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:49,700
Just like all these big boy
programs have not just big boy

532
00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:54,700
programs.
UVA per second to your program.

533
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,700
You can you imagine that saying
every year and you were going a

534
00:32:59,708 --> 00:33:02,700
lot of it to give the football
program and extra 3 million a

535
00:33:02,708 --> 00:33:03,800
year.
What could be done?

536
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,400
Not only inside the operational
stuff but we talked about it a

537
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,300
little earlier that what else
could we get with that?

538
00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:15,200
3 million bucks?
Mmm, I mean, you can get a lot

539
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,000
of good things with three
million dollars.

540
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:23,000
Man, you could get some, you can
probably start an investment on

541
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,100
a new on some new facilities,
some new upgrades, Tulane

542
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:30,100
stadium, for example, if these
kids well I find that bad boy

543
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:38,700
the running joke amongst fans.
Like I mean, so we're talking

544
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:42,200
about game day improvements so I
mean with that extra money.

545
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,900
You could at least improve.
Fan Experience on game day for I

546
00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:49,700
think improving Fan Experience
would improve the willingness of

547
00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:55,600
them to also open their wallets
both in increased ticket prices,

548
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:01,200
increase parking fees or just,
you know, contributions to hokey

549
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,800
Club.
So, you know, all of these

550
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,699
things play off of each other.
It's nothing is happening in a

551
00:34:08,707 --> 00:34:12,300
vacuum here and I feel like
that's the way a lot of people.

552
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:14,100
Look at these things.
Is that?

553
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,199
Well, if you get a new coach
recruiting will get better.

554
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,800
No.
Why do things have to happen for

555
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,400
recruiting to get better at
Virginia Tech and it's not just

556
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,300
coaching.
I mean I think we can all agree

557
00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:30,500
that we would we think
recruiting could be better under

558
00:34:30,699 --> 00:34:34,100
other coaching but that's not
saying that we need a coaching

559
00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:35,800
change because I don't think the
on-field.

560
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,300
We can get another coach right
now where the on-field product

561
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:40,000
will be as good as what we're
experiencing.

562
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,400
So there's a give-and-take
there.

563
00:34:41,699 --> 00:34:44,699
Yep.
And then, you know, at this

564
00:34:44,699 --> 00:34:49,300
point you've got to convince a
any, if you're talking about

565
00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:52,500
replacing a coach, you've got to
convince any coach that they,

566
00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:55,800
like I said earlier, you got to
say, we expect you to be a

567
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:01,600
top-15 program on the field.
Probably you're not going to do

568
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,400
any better than top 30
recruiting and you're going to

569
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,300
get top 50 funds to do that at
though, there's a point of

570
00:35:08,300 --> 00:35:11,900
diminishing returns there for
any coach, even if they can

571
00:35:11,900 --> 00:35:15,100
recruit their ass off.
It's true man.

572
00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:18,700
I mean it's true and then I mean
some of the info that you know

573
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:22,300
you you shared with we shared
together, we like Believe It.

574
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:25,000
Or Not guys, this was supposed
to be what 3 days ago, Brian

575
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,300
this is like really 25 minute
episode.

576
00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:32,800
Yeah, some things take this off,
we started diving into the

577
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,100
aspects of the fruiting and the
further we dug the further we

578
00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:39,000
were like, okay, let's have a
conversation about some of this

579
00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:42,100
other dirty laundry while we're
here, because it's kind of its

580
00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:44,500
it all because like we said, it
all feeds Each other.

581
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:46,800
Just just say it straight up.
What?

582
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,300
You told me, there's two
programs that pay for themselves

583
00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:51,700
at the University of Virginia,
Virginia Tech University.

584
00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:53,300
Yeah.
Virginia Tech polytechnical,

585
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:59,100
they are the ones discussed
football and men's basketball

586
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,100
pretty much breaks even in the
last several years.

587
00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:04,100
They've been in the black that's
it.

588
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:08,400
But more or less their Breakeven
program, occasionally in the

589
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,600
red.
Usually just over in the black

590
00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:14,100
and that's most schools.
There are your few that I do

591
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:17,000
have very strong women.
You know, certain women's

592
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,400
programs.
You have some schools that

593
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,600
probably are so strong in
baseball, they pay for

594
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,700
themselves but in Virginia Tech,
it's too.

595
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:28,500
And you start sitting here and
you know o XV T.

596
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,800
If you want to stole some of our
Thunder because he can release

597
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,000
what mean you found and it was
just in man.

598
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:41,900
He got the heat that got on him
in the last few days about what

599
00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:46,900
just a simple point out.
There is and votes, were not.

600
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:49,100
This is not trying to be rude,
not trying to be mean but we're

601
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:53,800
just seeing it as we see it,
there's one program or one

602
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,100
Athletic program.
At Virginia Tech.

603
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:03,400
That is essentially it's using
600, right?

604
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,400
Is it 600 500 times?
Its budget five hundred percent

605
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,300
of us but five hundred percent
that's nuts.

606
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,700
That's nuts for five hundred
percent of its Revenue.

607
00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:21,500
And you're sitting here and it's
just like, you know, it's the

608
00:37:21,508 --> 00:37:25,100
women's basketball program.
And it's like, that's insane.

609
00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:29,100
Like, no, because we in these
kind of started diving, most of

610
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:33,100
them, it's like, you know, it's
100% to 200% and that's

611
00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:36,400
reasonable there.
You want those programs at some,

612
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,000
for kids to go do it gives
chance for kids to potentially

613
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,300
go to a university.
They always want to play at.

614
00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:45,300
But when you're talking for
Hundred when you talking about

615
00:37:45,300 --> 00:37:48,700
that few million dollars me and
you just discussed there.

616
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:51,700
It is right there, it's right in
one specific thing.

617
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:56,300
And if you're sitting here is
fans, you want to say, listen,

618
00:37:57,100 --> 00:37:58,800
One support the university as a
whole.

619
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,600
But you see that big 66 thousand
dollar thing right there, that

620
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,000
is a frickin.
As I stated when we were at

621
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,300
their, it's one of the icons in
this game.

622
00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:12,400
Over the last 30 years, that's
what pays for things.

623
00:38:13,300 --> 00:38:17,800
And when you're saying, they are
only getting that 53 percent of

624
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,100
the pie and other people in
other programs are getting so

625
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:25,300
much.
It fired you up.

626
00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:30,400
It fired me up and guys let me
let's let's go ahead and say

627
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,100
here, we don't want to cut the
women's basketball program.

628
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,800
We think we think the here are
necessary element of the

629
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:43,800
University very important.
But what we're saying is that If

630
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,900
you're not making the money to
justify the allocation of the

631
00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:52,600
resources, we need to, at least.
Look at how those resources are

632
00:38:52,607 --> 00:38:56,400
being spent and whether they
could be spent better and the

633
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,500
football program to make the pie
bigger.

634
00:38:59,900 --> 00:39:05,800
But what we're talking about
right now is that if the we look

635
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,900
at Clemson and we look at UNC
and some of the things that

636
00:39:08,900 --> 00:39:12,400
they've been doing and even UVA
when they've invested.

637
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:16,700
David in the football program,
the pie got bigger.

638
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,900
Yep.
And when the pie gets bigger,

639
00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:21,200
Everybody Eats better.
You damn right.

640
00:39:22,300 --> 00:39:27,200
It's so true.
And and, you know, a lot of a

641
00:39:27,207 --> 00:39:30,700
lot of people talk about it and
I've tried to read someone what

642
00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:34,600
sayings thing is the way.
I see that he thinks it is, is

643
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,700
he thinks an athletic budget.
You should have a utopian

644
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:41,400
athletic department.
It is not possible at Virginia

645
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,500
Tech.
It's not, is it possible that

646
00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:46,600
Texas or Texas A&M?
And some of those schools with

647
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,200
200 million dollar revenues?
Yes, we're not there yet.

648
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,700
No.
So, if you're trying to turn it

649
00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:57,900
in terms of Revenue, are a
little bit weird in a 50 million

650
00:39:57,900 --> 00:40:00,300
behind UVA.
We're not in it, but we're not

651
00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:01,800
in a terrible spot.
Where is it?

652
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,700
Okay, spot.
Yeah, the way I look at it and

653
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,100
the way I talked about it, Ryan
is in the corporate world and I

654
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:10,400
know some people say well
Athletics is different than the

655
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,800
corporate world.
No, it's really not company.

656
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,200
I work for company.
You work for and I will mention

657
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,000
the name.
Top 100 on Forbes, very

658
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,400
profitable company.
As, you know, Brian there are

659
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,200
different sectors of that
company.

660
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,400
And as you know, there are some
sectors that get treated a lot

661
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,500
better, they get a lot more
tools to get a lot more

662
00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:35,500
flexibility.
And you know why?

663
00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:39,600
Usually they get that because
they're the money makers.

664
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:40,400
Damn.
Right.

665
00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:43,900
And it irritates, some people
that are in the Lesser

666
00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:45,400
divisions, like, what's not
fair, they're good.

667
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,400
Upgrading their systems.
You got your laptops.

668
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,100
All they got to do better work.
It's like you know, do you know

669
00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:54,500
why you got the Rays last year
because they fucking crush them

670
00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:58,200
and then people just kind of
Turn away and say yeah you're

671
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,300
right because normally what
happens and we saw it at that

672
00:41:02,300 --> 00:41:04,700
level was is that bigger
division?

673
00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:06,700
Did better?
What happened?

674
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:10,500
We saw the effects of it didn't.
Yeah, we saw the upgrades on the

675
00:41:10,500 --> 00:41:13,000
systems.
We got the laptops, we got more

676
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,700
flexibility and it was just kind
of like why can't someone is

677
00:41:17,900 --> 00:41:20,900
Rated as the president of
Virginia Tech University.

678
00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:25,900
See that?
And to me it's sort of is one of

679
00:41:25,908 --> 00:41:29,300
those things.
Where why don't you see this

680
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:31,900
man?
Like these Clemson is where we

681
00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:36,000
were 10 years ago.
They have went through the roof

682
00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:42,500
because of how they budgeted we
have made marginal gains now and

683
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:47,600
I mean, they institutionally
realign saying we're going to

684
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,500
Make our football team good.
Yeah, that's what they did.

685
00:41:51,500 --> 00:41:56,200
They they ended up what they cut
one or two sports at the time

686
00:41:56,700 --> 00:42:02,100
and they realign the funding
into facilities and recruiting.

687
00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:07,900
Yep, that they pulled from those
those other sports and all of a

688
00:42:07,908 --> 00:42:12,400
sudden you know, you get one ACC
Championship in there and all of

689
00:42:12,408 --> 00:42:14,400
a sudden got to run going.
Yes.

690
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,500
Because now you've got people
willing to open their Wallets.

691
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,400
Hmm.
And make the program, go on its

692
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,600
own and now you've got what
they, what women's sports, they

693
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,500
just had softball.
Was that it that they just

694
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:31,200
added.
Don't, don't put me on that,

695
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,100
man.
Yeah, but I believe softballs is

696
00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:36,400
for that they that they just
added since.

697
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:41,000
I mean, the football team is had
enough success at this point

698
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,900
where they were able to carve
out part of their budget for

699
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,700
another sport in less, in less
than 10 years.

700
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,800
Years without without lowering,
what they're doing investing in

701
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,300
their football team.
Nope.

702
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,900
Not at all.
So yeah, I mean let me tell you

703
00:42:58,900 --> 00:43:05,400
if I was with Babcock, I would
go around to with the exception

704
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,300
of men's basketball and with the
exception of the football

705
00:43:07,300 --> 00:43:10,100
program and I would look at
everybody and say we need to

706
00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:15,100
make the ten percent cut to your
operational expenses, figure it

707
00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:17,100
out.
And if they threw a, why are we

708
00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:20,400
doing that?
Because there's program.

709
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:25,100
That's floated this whole entire
department for the last close to

710
00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:28,400
30 years and they're not getting
what they need to keep up.

711
00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:32,300
We have the potential to be that
top 15 program.

712
00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:35,800
Every year, we need some extra
money, we need some old bodies.

713
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:37,400
Let's talk about another part of
it.

714
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:43,100
Let's talk about in the they've
been doing pretty well with with

715
00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:47,800
enrollment but you saw the
enrollment boom after 1990.

716
00:43:47,900 --> 00:43:50,200
Nine.
I mean yes you did if

717
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,000
enrollments going up that's
that's more Student Activity

718
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,000
fees that are contributing to
some of these extra Oscars

719
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,200
Sports as well.
So again you know I'm going to

720
00:44:00,207 --> 00:44:03,700
mix metaphors here.
You know Rising tide raises all

721
00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:06,100
raises all the boats here.
Yes sir it does.

722
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:11,100
So let's try to focus on what we
can do to get those those funds

723
00:44:11,100 --> 00:44:16,600
in and yeah they take a smaller
percentage of the pie but let's

724
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,100
make the pie bigger.
So Probably in about four to

725
00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:22,500
five years.
You're probably at least back at

726
00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:26,000
your, your current operating
budget, if not higher.

727
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,100
But but to that point to Brian
again you talking about raises,

728
00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:34,000
all Tides, if you start seeing
the football program, do what it

729
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,000
did in those early 90s and have
that upper trajectory well you

730
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,000
talk about all these other
sports you know what they know

731
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,100
as that's a good football
program there in the ACC.

732
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,900
Hey I got a good softball
program.

733
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,100
I'll go play there.
R.

734
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,700
Yeah.
So what you're doing is by

735
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:54,100
supporting the football program,
you're actually making other

736
00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:59,600
sports able to recruit better.
It's not hard to figure that out

737
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,000
now.
So I've got something in front

738
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,700
of me that I know we firm back
and forth, and I've already

739
00:45:04,700 --> 00:45:09,000
mentioned a little bit here, but
it's the operating revenues and

740
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,800
expenditures compared between
Virginia Tech and UVA.

741
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,700
Oh, yeah, I'm going to glanced
at it and I know you.

742
00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:20,700
Look at it harder.
I don't like what I see, but you

743
00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:23,500
go ahead and break the bearer of
bad news, okay?

744
00:45:23,700 --> 00:45:26,500
So we eat their lunch into
categories.

745
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:31,300
Football, ticket, sales and
guarantees, and meteorites.

746
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,500
We are 11 million ahead of them
and football, ticket, sales and

747
00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:41,800
guarantees, and we are seven and
a half million ahead of them in

748
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:46,100
meteorites.
They take us to school on pretty

749
00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:49,200
much every category, some of
them more than others.

750
00:45:49,900 --> 00:45:54,800
The two biggest areas that we
fall behind on.

751
00:45:55,900 --> 00:46:00,100
We're not Really even in a
comparable area is

752
00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:05,500
contributions, which were eight
million behind them and then the

753
00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:09,100
value of Athletics, dedicated
endowments.

754
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:16,400
So what that says to me is that
their alumni are doing better

755
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:21,100
and not just giving, but giving
across all sports and in terms

756
00:46:21,100 --> 00:46:26,500
of giving towards athletic
specific things, whether it be

757
00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:31,600
The facilities or other benefits
for the athletic department,

758
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:38,500
thoughts.
Well, first of all, I'm going to

759
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:42,000
say this.
They are significantly older

760
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,800
probably University.
That's not even a question.

761
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,900
You have more legacies there,
people that go there because Mom

762
00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:51,300
and Dad went there so on and so
forth.

763
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:57,500
So that helps.
But, you know, I think the other

764
00:46:57,500 --> 00:47:01,100
piece that you make a point of
is the about the things across

765
00:47:01,100 --> 00:47:06,400
the board is you have Have
people that specifically donate

766
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,700
to certain programs like the
baseball program.

767
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:12,800
So somebody, you know, I think
Zimmerman a few years ago like a

768
00:47:12,808 --> 00:47:15,200
hundred thousand dollar check to
the baseball program.

769
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,600
Well, guess what happens when
somebody of that stature with

770
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,800
that amount of money writes,
that amount of money to a

771
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,400
smaller program?
Guess where that money goes back

772
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:29,300
to It goes back to the path to
be divided up amongst the other

773
00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:31,900
program for to go back to the
football program or men's

774
00:47:31,900 --> 00:47:34,700
basketball program.
And then that's another thing

775
00:47:34,700 --> 00:47:39,000
they have had some alumni on.
Why am I, why am I mind

776
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:45,100
blinking?
The writer UVA, grad, I'm

777
00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:50,300
blanking as well, this is what
happens when you do this this.

778
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,300
And we can take that on in
post-production, right?

779
00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:57,500
Yeah, we will edit that one.
Don't do it, man.

780
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,500
Why do I want to say look a bit
sad bird, I can edit the gym.

781
00:48:04,100 --> 00:48:07,100
Why do I want to say?
It's John Grisham.

782
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:10,700
Sure.
Go for it.

783
00:48:10,900 --> 00:48:14,100
Well, I feel like they, that and
then I let it in something.

784
00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:18,800
That sounds the correct.
It's one of the big variety.

785
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,000
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that
that's accurate.

786
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,600
No, it's not Grisham.
This one's an Ole Miss is a

787
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,000
Mississippi State guy.
Never And was it?

788
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:40,800
Hold on because she was one of
the more, the thing, 1990s,

789
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,300
big-time Riders.
This is kind of funny.

790
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:51,300
Survey says they get your get
your computer on the starch

791
00:48:51,300 --> 00:48:55,300
starch in this tag on it.
Okay, it was about dodgy.

792
00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:57,600
We actually went to VCU and UVA,
okay?

793
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:02,600
So they felt about you so it was
you guys make so much money

794
00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:06,100
sports program and guess what?
He did a bunch of big checks.

795
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:11,600
So in that helps, I mean,
there's no two ways about it,

796
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:16,700
that is always going to help.
Um, now what I think that the

797
00:49:16,700 --> 00:49:20,200
athletic department needs to do
is do realize that the Virginia

798
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:24,200
Tech a, what 250,000 living
graduates me and you aren't one

799
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:30,100
of them, but I mean, you just do
the raw numbers.

800
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:37,500
If 250,000 people gave a million
people gave a hundred bucks It's

801
00:49:37,500 --> 00:49:42,400
$20, that's not a lot of money
that's not, that's not even

802
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,200
saying, you know, we don't, we
don't need people giving, you

803
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,600
know, for, you know, giving you
know, thousands of dollars.

804
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,100
If you have every living alumni,
give $100.

805
00:49:52,100 --> 00:49:54,500
I know that's one of the best of
utopian statement.

806
00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:58,200
So call me out on that if you
want, but I'm not going to call

807
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,200
you out on it because you know,
even if you know, we're talking

808
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,700
about the drive for 25 and
things like that, I mean, yeah

809
00:50:03,700 --> 00:50:07,000
everyone can afford 25 dollars
out of their budget.

810
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,100
Budget over the course of a
year.

811
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,800
I mean it's you know what 3 4 5
cups cups of coffee from

812
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:18,200
Starbucks and you've, you know,
contributed a quarter of what

813
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:24,400
Curtis was just talking about.
So, you know, I mean, I know, I

814
00:50:24,408 --> 00:50:27,400
know there are people that are
strapped for cash and in

815
00:50:27,700 --> 00:50:32,200
absolute poverty, but I don't
think that's more than a very

816
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,900
small percentage of alumni and
fans.

817
00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:38,600
We're not talking about 20% of
Virginia Tech fans are living in

818
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,700
poverty or anything like that.
So so what that says is if

819
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:47,400
you're the athletic department,
again, it's got to be a mindset

820
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:53,300
to change into your point.
How its operating from the top

821
00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:55,800
down?
Because if you really went hard

822
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,300
after it that way and you
recreated those resources, you

823
00:50:59,300 --> 00:51:02,700
created those teams, it probably
could pick up quicker.

824
00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:07,500
So yeah, I've read things that
fans has written about Out

825
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:13,100
football and I don't really I
don't know what he expects some

826
00:51:13,100 --> 00:51:19,200
sort of proverbial bubble to
burst in terms of meteorites and

827
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:24,300
football in the next 5 to 10
years that I just don't see

828
00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:28,200
happening.
He's trying to write some very

829
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,800
Off the Wall statement that if
he's right, he gets to jump up

830
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,900
and down.
And when we were wrong, the guy

831
00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:36,500
that's ahead of the curve when
the bubble burst, but the bubble

832
00:51:36,500 --> 00:51:40,400
was fed to To be bursting 10
years ago and it hasn't it said

833
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,100
to be bursting in five years.
I mean, everybody keeps saying,

834
00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:46,200
well the bubble of football is
going to burst and it just

835
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,600
doesn't well you know what, it
probably has bursted in some way

836
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,800
but it's such a minut bus burst.
Nobody can tell it like yeah,

837
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,400
kind of burst a little bit.
But yeah.

838
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,800
You know less people in the
stands, still 63,000 people here

839
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,500
of 66 that's not much of a burst
and most of that has been

840
00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:05,400
transitioned into the media
dollars.

841
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:10,100
I'm not like the You know, the
direct funding to the university

842
00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:13,300
has changed but the indirect
funding is went up significantly

843
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:18,100
from money that's coming in for
the ACC and from the NCAA

844
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,600
exactly though you make a point
on that like you say it's going

845
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:27,200
to burst about what for for
Black Friday as you go that year

846
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,600
where we were like six and like
Frank's last year or the year

847
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,700
before Frank retired, we were
six and six and they were like

848
00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:37,100
five and seven or whatever, that
game was the Friday.

849
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,400
Night game on ESPN you.
How many people pulled on a

850
00:52:40,408 --> 00:52:42,200
Friday?
Black Friday over Thanksgiving

851
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,200
weekend with two teams.
One struggle, one, not making a

852
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,200
bowl, one fighting for Bowl
eligibility, which you can watch

853
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,600
that game.
I'm in 3.8 million people.

854
00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:56,600
The yep, they go right there,
that wasn't that thing.

855
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:01,200
Supposedly dead robbery in both
teams at near Rock, Bottom

856
00:53:01,500 --> 00:53:06,300
entangling, their program output
100% run.

857
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,800
This has been fun to do the
budget but we have to one more

858
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,700
piece of news and I feel like
we're going to probably go back

859
00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:17,600
and revisit this again.
But uh we we got to commit.

860
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:22,700
Yeah, we did transfer from
Kansas God.

861
00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:25,900
We love to go to Kansas and get
comments and get transferred

862
00:53:25,900 --> 00:53:28,700
from this.
Kansas is done is better than

863
00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:41,700
Virginia and of later because I
think a little bit what are you

864
00:53:41,700 --> 00:53:44,700
feeling about this 63 guy?
So yeah, big body.

865
00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:47,200
Wide receiver.
Definitely think he's going to

866
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,000
step in and at least in terms of
Red Zone, he's going to fill

867
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,200
some of the hole that was
created when Damon Hazelton

868
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,900
transferred to Missouri.
So that's that's good.

869
00:53:58,700 --> 00:54:02,100
You know, I like I like what I
see on tape, he's got quick

870
00:54:02,100 --> 00:54:06,900
First Step, he can get open,
he's had some injuries.

871
00:54:06,900 --> 00:54:11,500
So that's obviously a concern to
look at, but I know, I think he

872
00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:15,900
just kind of, he's one of those
that had had injuries after

873
00:54:15,900 --> 00:54:21,000
having a good season and then, I
think health-wise got back to

874
00:54:21,008 --> 00:54:24,100
where he wanted to be.
But, Based on some of the other

875
00:54:24,100 --> 00:54:26,400
recruits that it came in there
and things like that.

876
00:54:26,500 --> 00:54:28,300
Yeah, just off.
Snap count go down and things

877
00:54:28,300 --> 00:54:31,000
like that.
So we ended up being a

878
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,900
beneficiary of the that
situation I think I said I think

879
00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:37,200
from a Red Zone perspective he's
at least going to be a solid

880
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,100
South player force in 2020.
Could be potentially more than

881
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:47,000
that but definitely will I think
take over what Hazleton did in

882
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,500
the red zone for us.
So that that's a good thing

883
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:55,400
because some of the other guys
Been talking about had other

884
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:59,300
skills but the Red Zone Target
was still something that we were

885
00:54:59,300 --> 00:55:01,400
a little concerned about.
So I'm glad we went out and got

886
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,300
a guy that could take on that
role 100% And if nothing else it

887
00:55:05,300 --> 00:55:07,400
makes you feel better about the
depth at the wide receiver

888
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,300
position while the positions we
were a little bit worried about

889
00:55:10,300 --> 00:55:13,500
but Kevin and come in having
some game experience, you have

890
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:16,300
the injuries are concerned
because it was a sophomore year.

891
00:55:16,300 --> 00:55:19,100
It looks like, you know, he had
like 20 plus perceptions was

892
00:55:19,100 --> 00:55:21,100
looking like one of those guys
that was on go up and then got

893
00:55:21,100 --> 00:55:25,600
bang twice and then With less
coming in some, some changes in

894
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,200
the recruiting and things like
that.

895
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,600
So yeah, feel good about just
because again, it's a body out

896
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:36,900
there with along, with Trail
along with kavion Big Stone Gap

897
00:55:37,900 --> 00:55:40,400
makes you feel a little better
about that room and all black

898
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:41,900
here.
Thank you.

899
00:55:41,900 --> 00:55:43,500
Sorry.
Yeah, I know.

900
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:47,000
Yeah, I know he's not, he's not
camping with those boys, but I

901
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,000
Got a Feeling Black.
She was going to be be running

902
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,400
the slot a lot.
So hopefully this is going to

903
00:55:52,408 --> 00:55:54,600
benefit.
In the Red Zone, you get us

904
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,100
being able to have two Big Red
Zone targets out there with with

905
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:02,300
Mitchell and then, obviously,
having failures now coming in.

906
00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:05,500
So I think that should be good
for us from inside the 20

907
00:56:05,500 --> 00:56:09,300
perspective, 100% man.
All right, so what we're asking

908
00:56:09,300 --> 00:56:11,700
this week guys again, it's not a
poll question.

909
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,000
So what things would you like to
see?

910
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,400
Virginia Tech, do financially to
be more competitive on the

911
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,000
football field?
I told you mine.

912
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:26,200
I'd like to see a 10% cut across
every 10% expense cut off every

913
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,300
sport, but men's basketball and
football, let those funds

914
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:32,800
funneled back into the football
program for all sorts of things

915
00:56:32,900 --> 00:56:34,000
Brawn.
What about you?

916
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,400
You know, I think just from an
alignment perspective, just

917
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:43,400
putting the focus on on football
putting a larger piece of the

918
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,100
pie.
I'm not sure I would go as

919
00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:48,500
strong as a 10% cut across the
board, but I would look at every

920
00:56:48,500 --> 00:56:50,500
department.
And I was, I would say I'd look

921
00:56:50,500 --> 00:56:54,900
at every sport and say Working,
we trim the fat and do it on a

922
00:56:55,100 --> 00:57:00,100
on a on a sport basis just
because I think some could find

923
00:57:00,100 --> 00:57:03,800
more fat to trim than others.
So I think that perspective

924
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,100
might be better and then again
reinvest that money into the

925
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:12,200
either recruiting services or
into improving the game day

926
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,700
experience at Lane.
Absolutely.

927
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,300
All right folks well that wraps
up this episode of The Boundary

928
00:57:18,300 --> 00:57:22,200
Corner podcast I'm Curtis
Wilson, I'm Brian.

929
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,200
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buddy, Jason long place out.

930
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:29,400
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931
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,800
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932
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,300
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And as always, let's go.

933
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